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Post by kilroyrock on May 18, 2016 5:42:00 GMT -6
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Post by drew571 on May 18, 2016 11:17:41 GMT -6
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Post by kilroyrock on May 18, 2016 12:46:32 GMT -6
I think I killed mine on the mastering channel. it's what I get for not giving it the time it deserves. yours sounds good. I am glad you allowed the ghost notes to stay on the track. it really keeps the snare churning, which is what he's trying to do.
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Post by drew571 on May 18, 2016 14:13:21 GMT -6
Thanks. I kinda wished I made it not so clean though. think the song needed to be a little grittier.
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Post by ericn on May 18, 2016 17:43:56 GMT -6
I liked and de potential in what you guys have posted, but my thing with contest like these is I always feel like the guys who judge these things have an ideal in their minds of what the winner should sound like rather than judging submissions on there own merit ! Good show guys and good luck!
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Post by mrholmes on May 18, 2016 19:28:51 GMT -6
Many of the drum replacemend folks did not read the rules. Replacing drums is not allowed you will get disqualified.
But anyway this is a marketing, show no one is going to listen to all those mixes. Even if they listen to it there have been a few great mixes if they end up with 100 great ones they will pick one blind.... done.
Anyway, it was fun to mix those tracks, thats the reason why I did it.
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Post by mrholmes on May 18, 2016 19:29:14 GMT -6
double post...
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Post by oceres on May 18, 2016 20:51:09 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 2:26:14 GMT -6
Hmmm, the triggered drums folks disqualified themselves, as mrholmes said. If you invest an hour or more of time in a mix, you should read the criteria of the contest. Takes a minute... I actually like the clean mix and the open character of your submission, drew571. I noticed that you did not wipe away the details of drums and bass like most of the others seem to have done (most probably to achieve a more radio pop sound or what?). The ghost notes and the plectrum click of the bass do give the rhythm section a certain character that is lost in most mixes. I always find it sad if i can not even say if the bass player used a plec or fingers when i listen to a mix... And suppressing the ghost notes takes away a good part of the personality of the drums and also the song, if you ask me. There is an easy listening type of thing going on due to them, a touch of indie/alternative, that is missing if you don't let them remain.... OK, a bit of grit might fit the song as well. The clean approach, however, gives the song a kind of honesty and authenticity that i want to believe as a listener. It has something "innocent" and "easy" to it IMO.
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Post by kilroyrock on May 19, 2016 5:32:58 GMT -6
It's interesting, because when Graham Cochrane did something like this, where he had people submit a song in January, and he'd pick the best song, he was honest about it and said "whoa, I wasn't expecting so many submissions. My B," and then picked randomly out of the selections and chose one. It was a bit disheartening, but I can understand how the size of these things can get out of hand immediately. They're claiming that they're going to listen to every submission...
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 19, 2016 5:43:57 GMT -6
I don't think it's unrealistic that they listen to all the submissions. I'm positive that they don't listen to the entire song for most though. I would think that 50% or more of the mixes are eliminated within 5 seconds of listening. They probably set them all to play at the chorus, hit play, think "pro or amateur sounding", and divide them up for the next round, of listening.
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Post by mrholmes on May 19, 2016 6:59:17 GMT -6
Once again the aim of the show is not mixing. Pensados Place is meant to be a Product Placement Show.... which is alright to me because David is giving qualified knowledge away for "free".....
To believe they listen to thousands of mixes.... would you do it? I wouldn't.... I would ask someone I know to make a great one wait two weeks and tada there is the winner.....
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Post by drew571 on May 19, 2016 7:45:44 GMT -6
I don't think it's unrealistic that they listen to all the submissions. I'm positive that they don't listen to the entire song for most though. I would think that 50% or more of the mixes are eliminated within 5 seconds of listening. They probably set them all to play at the chorus, hit play, think "pro or amateur sounding", and divide them up for the next round, of listening. I agree. When I go to check out some of the other mixes, I typically skip or continue listening to the track within the first 5-10 seconds. Wouldn't be surprised if they have an assistant plow through a bunch and leave the top 50 or so. I think they usually do a decent job at the voting. Obviously these are subjective, but usually the winner's mixes are pretty decent.
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Post by drew571 on May 19, 2016 7:54:15 GMT -6
Hmmm, the triggered drums folks disqualified themselves, as mrholmes said. If you invest an hour or more of time in a mix, you should read the criteria of the contest. Takes a minute... I actually like the clean mix and the open character of your submission, drew571 . I noticed that you did not wipe away the details of drums and bass like most of the others seem to have done (most probably to achieve a more radio pop sound or what?). The ghost notes and the plectrum click of the bass do give the rhythm section a certain character that is lost in most mixes. I always find it sad if i can not even say if the bass player used a plec or fingers when i listen to a mix... And suppressing the ghost notes takes away a good part of the personality of the drums and also the song, if you ask me. There is an easy listening type of thing going on due to them, a touch of indie/alternative, that is missing if you don't let them remain.... OK, a bit of grit might fit the song as well. The clean approach, however, gives the song a kind of honesty and authenticity that i want to believe as a listener. It has something "innocent" and "easy" to it IMO. Thanks smallbutfine, I think the vocal and the background vocals steered me towards the cleaner sound. Didn't want the character in the voice to get lost in too aggressive a mix. He wasn't too angry. Also, I feel like the judges generally pick more pop/clean mixes. Could be wrong.
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Post by javamad on May 20, 2016 6:42:31 GMT -6
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Post by javamad on May 20, 2016 6:48:12 GMT -6
... To believe they listen to thousands of mixes.... would you do it? I wouldn't.... I would ask someone I know to make a great one wait two weeks and tada there is the winner..... Yup .. I already submitted the great one ;-)
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Post by drsax on May 21, 2016 22:13:23 GMT -6
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Post by xengs on May 22, 2016 4:04:55 GMT -6
I did use two samples in parallel that were turned down quite low (one sounded like the bottom mic only more mid-rangey and "dynamic", used it in the verses, and the other one was a crackly-smack that I blended in the chorus for some tiny bit of extra "attack") but I don't think they're against the rules. I'm pretty sure the rules were written like that to disqualify any remixes. Samples are everywhere nowadays, even Pensando himself uses them. Anyway, here's my submission, let me know what you think! www.indabamusic.com/opportunities/pensados-place-mixing-competition-regret-the-hour-distance/submissions/cab6e776-1109-11e6-99fa-0e1b2706c287The vocals are rather low in the Choruses, especially the last two, and the piano jumps out a tad too much, other than that I guess it's pretty decent
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 9:39:08 GMT -6
This "boxy drums" effect in the beginning... For my taste it lasts too long. It stays in the ear for longer than it should afterwards and feels like too much degradation instead of an effect. Personally, it distracted me from the music. Nevertheless, the idea is good, it just feels too long to resolve and open up. Also i would have expected a differemt kind of filter quality, personally i would have tried something more like a DJ action filter pr something "moogish", i also thought of the synth filter in my Control Synthesis Deep Bass 9 (great sounding one for effects - since it can be controlled by MIDI, you can also do stereo tracks with it...).
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Post by donr on May 24, 2016 22:44:29 GMT -6
I know the contest is over for submissions and don't know if would have submitted it anyway, but I really liked the song and the band, so I mixed "Distance." The lyric is great, I'm a sucker for a good heartache song, and the vocal is killer. This might have been a hit record in another time. www.dropbox.com/s/t7p8czso8m0axrg/DistanceDonRmix.mp3?dl=0
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Post by ericn on May 25, 2016 8:09:18 GMT -6
I know the contest is over for submissions and don't know if would have submitted it anyway, but I really liked the song and the band, so I mixed "Distance." The lyric is great, I'm a sucker for a good heartache song, and the vocal is killer. This might have been a hit record in another time. www.dropbox.com/s/t7p8czso8m0axrg/DistanceDonRmix.mp3?dl=0Uncle Don, whats a hit record? ;]
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Post by Guitar on May 26, 2016 9:21:30 GMT -6
Wow that was ear-opening, thanks for sharing everyone.
I was amazed how much difference there was between these mixes. I guess I should give a little more credit to what can happen during the mix process. Some of these mixes sounded like they were from three completely different decades.
To my ear the most challenging sound seemed to be the drums. A few of these were hurting my ears with too much transient. Also the treatment of the lead vocal was very different in all the mixes.
Good work to all. Now I kind of want to try my hand at one.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 2, 2016 8:02:00 GMT -6
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Post by Guitar on Jun 2, 2016 9:43:33 GMT -6
I like it a lot. Can you describe the drum reverb you're using? That's one of my favorite parts of your mix.
One minor criticism is I would do something with those strummy acoustics in the chorus, they are a bit too forward to my taste, regarding volume and transient attack. I'd like to hear less of the pick sound and more of the note.
Overall, a vibey and exciting mix. Nice 'n fat.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 2, 2016 9:50:56 GMT -6
Thanks Guitar, PSP 2245 on snare. Valhalla Vintage Verb as just a touch of ambience on kick and toms. Room mics are smashed with 1176's and add some ambience to the drums. I had planned for the acoustics to be more rhythmic filler so the electrics could still be the main instruments. I assume that when the band plays live, they just have the 2 electrics, so I didn't want to make the acoustic the focus in the chorus. Just a taste thing there I think. That said, listening now on the Adams, I can see that the are probably a bit too hot still. Again, thanks for the feedback.
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