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Post by Johnkenn on May 4, 2016 16:52:35 GMT -6
Just listening over the laptop again...and the Kemper sounds better to me...by a lot. But I think this is a really well done model. As someone posted somewhere - I hope they do a Vox AC30 like this. But considering they don't have a Vox partnership, probably isn't gonna happen.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 4, 2016 16:53:20 GMT -6
I'll tell you, though. The Apollo is a great piece of gear that does everything really pretty damn good.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 4, 2016 17:08:49 GMT -6
Both good, but different. A sounds like a not so good real Fender, B sounds much more like it's been EQ'd and tweaked for a track, less grungy low end, more alive and ballsier. I'd use B.
Did I miss the reveal? Which one is which please..
Great post John.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 4, 2016 17:37:02 GMT -6
A is the UAD
B is the Kemper
I thought the UAD sounded pretty similar to some 5E3's I've played. Kinda shitty...but in a glorious one-trick-pony kinda way.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 4, 2016 18:01:35 GMT -6
Exactly! That's why I called it a not so good Fender. Y'know, until someone knocks this out of the park, With Logic, Apple GIVES you a half dozens spot on Fender amp sims, with cabinet choices and 4 different mics. The U87 and the Royer mic sims sound pretty good.
have you tried them John? I get the Kemper is as good as it gets so far, but I'd love to hear one of the better Logic Fenders, compared to these tracks. The Large Tweed is good with the 4 speaker cab and the U87.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 4, 2016 18:09:25 GMT -6
I've tried them...a long time ago. I might go in and play with them tonight again. I don't know what it is about amp sims. It's ALL the futzing around to get a decent tone...where I can get it in a split second with the Kemper. I like the Kemper even more than miking a real amp (of course, I'd want real players to do that)...But for myself, I'm not sure I'd be able to get the same sound even if I had the amp in my own room.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 6, 2016 10:00:56 GMT -6
Even the Kemper sounds like crap with the wrong profiles... The Kemper is merely a vessel for the amp/recording chain that goes into it. Crap amp, crap profile. Good amp, crap mic'ing/room/pre, crap profile. Great amp, competent recording, great profile. Kemper sounds amazing in that last case. Yeah. The MB stuff is world class. He don't screw around. I pretty much soley use those. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 6, 2016 12:44:19 GMT -6
I listened to the files JK. I think UA should should do a model of the Kemper model.
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Post by mrholmes on May 8, 2016 18:28:51 GMT -6
I listened to the files JK. I think UA should should do a model of the Kemper model. You made my day. To be fair - Guitar Amps is one of the most difficult things to model, because of the million variables the speaker reacts to the playing. I am pretty sure the Kemper staff worked hard to find a way to get this right. I still like using real Amps and it wont change yet... |
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Post by donr on May 8, 2016 21:07:54 GMT -6
I listened to the files JK. I think UA should should do a model of the Kemper model. You made my day. To be fair - Guitar Amps is one of the most difficult things to model, because of the million variables the speaker reacts to the playing. I am pretty sure the Kemper staff worked hard to find a way to get this right. I still like using real Amps and it wont change yet... mrholmes, a common misconception about the Kemper. It doesn't model any particular amp, nor have any built in amp sounds. The Kemper staff worked hard to make a device that 'steals the soul' of whatever amp you profile with it. The 'profiles' are just numbers, parameters to the synth engine that reproduces the sound of the amps that it profiles. The Kemper mimics the characteristics of the amp/mic/room that you feed into it when a profile is made. You plug your guitar into the Kemper, and a direct out of the Kemper into your amp. Then after mic'ing your amp, back into the Kemper at mic or line level, and the Kemper compares the direct guitar and mic'ed amp versions to create the profile. Once you're satisfied with the profile, you no longer need the amp and mic to re-create that particular recording chain. It's in the Kemper, anytime you want it. I don't see why Kemper technology wouldn't work on something like a mic pre. |
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Post by mrholmes on May 8, 2016 21:30:56 GMT -6
You made my day. To be fair - Guitar Amps is one of the most difficult things to model, because of the million variables the speaker reacts to the playing. I am pretty sure the Kemper staff worked hard to find a way to get this right. I still like using real Amps and it wont change yet... mrholmes, a common misconception about the Kemper. It doesn't model any particular amp, nor have any built in amp sounds. The Kemper staff worked hard to make a device that 'steals the soul' of whatever amp you profile with it. The 'profiles' are just numbers, parameters to the synth engine that reproduces the sound of the amps that it profiles. The Kemper mimics the characteristics of the amp/mic/room that you feed into it when a profile is made. You plug your guitar into the Kemper, and a direct out of the Kemper into your amp. Then after mic'ing your amp, back into the Kemper at mic or line level, and the Kemper compares the direct guitar and mic'ed amp versions to create the profile. Once you're satisfied with the profile, you no longer need the amp and mic to re-create that particular recording chain. It's in the Kemper, anytime you want it. I don't see why Kemper technology wouldn't work on something like a mic pre. I know I had a long talk with one of the developpers last year here in Germany. Its still not wrong what I am saying, they have found a way to meassure the whole path and it sounds great. Most of the plug in sims sound NG..... I think the Kemper is not bad but its not the soloution to everyone. |
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Post by keymod on May 15, 2016 6:53:06 GMT -6
I don't play guitar. If I did, I would probably go with a Kemper, based on all the info I've read at RGO and elsewhere. I have some questions about the UAD amp sims: Can they be used in sort of a "re-amp" mode, without an Apollo, with fairly decent results? I have a strong UAD Pci-e setup, and I am curious if any of the UAD amp sims would be a good tool to have at my disposal, especially since UA have recently sent me several coupons to use in their online store. At this point in time, I don't feel the need to purchase any other plugins.
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Post by mikec on May 15, 2016 7:02:50 GMT -6
The Kemper is hard to beat for easy recording. I have a pretty good amp collection, but still resort to the Kemper frequently.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 15, 2016 7:45:50 GMT -6
I don't play guitar. If I did, I would probably go with a Kemper, based on all the info I've read at RGO and elsewhere. I have some questions about the UAD amp sims: Can they be used in sort of a "re-amp" mode, without an Apollo, with fairly decent results? I have a strong UAD Pci-e setup, and I am curious if any of the UAD amp sims would be a good tool to have at my disposal, especially since UA have recently sent me several coupons to use in their online store. At this point in time, I don't feel the need to purchase any other plugins. When you say without an apollo on what dsp would the ua plug in be running: a ua satelite ? |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on May 15, 2016 7:57:36 GMT -6
I don't play guitar. If I did, I would probably go with a Kemper, based on all the info I've read at RGO and elsewhere. I have some questions about the UAD amp sims: Can they be used in sort of a "re-amp" mode, without an Apollo, with fairly decent results? I have a strong UAD Pci-e setup, and I am curious if any of the UAD amp sims would be a good tool to have at my disposal, especially since UA have recently sent me several coupons to use in their online store. At this point in time, I don't feel the need to purchase any other plugins. Whenever guitarists come over to record something, I run them direct into the Symphony 8 Mic Pre card's Hi-Z instrument inputs and into the UAD Engl 765 Retro Tube emulation via my Octo card. They are always like "damn, that's the tone!!" after cycling thru the presets a bit. It's definitely one of the best UAD amp emulations, so check that one out if you're gonna check any of 'em out. |
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Post by keymod on May 15, 2016 9:13:23 GMT -6
I don't play guitar. If I did, I would probably go with a Kemper, based on all the info I've read at RGO and elsewhere. I have some questions about the UAD amp sims: Can they be used in sort of a "re-amp" mode, without an Apollo, with fairly decent results? I have a strong UAD Pci-e setup, and I am curious if any of the UAD amp sims would be a good tool to have at my disposal, especially since UA have recently sent me several coupons to use in their online store. At this point in time, I don't feel the need to purchase any other plugins. When you say without an apollo on what dsp would the ua plug in be running: a ua satelite ? 4 x Octo PCIe |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 15, 2016 9:20:46 GMT -6
The new 55 tweed is a unison plug, so you can't use all those features without the apollo ( impedance loading ), needs to loaded in console in the unison slot above inserts.. On the ua site it mentions re-amping so you can problably use it as a stand alone plug just not get the unison features.
Have you tried the amp sims in demo mode using just your octo cards ?
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Post by keymod on May 15, 2016 11:24:35 GMT -6
I have not tried them yet as I have not had the need. It's just that I have $75.00 in coupons burning a hole in my pocket, LOL.
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