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Post by kcatthedog on May 2, 2016 17:25:14 GMT -6
Seems very close (free coupons in account fenderbender): thoughts ?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 2, 2016 22:24:18 GMT -6
Be interesting to hear...You would think a Deluxe would be the first "everybody wants" Fender...but I bet it will be something like a Champ...
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Post by ragan on May 2, 2016 22:31:39 GMT -6
Man, I really want amp sims to work and be viable for me but so far they just....aren't. I would pretty much have to have it in the UA Console (if not a standalone a la Kemper) cause I can't hack latency. But everytime UA comes out with one it sounds useable to me for about 2 minutes and then I compare it to mic'd amps and shudder.
I have no doubt it can be done though. Just waiting for something to satisfy my ears.
On a side note, I took a 1955 Deluxe up to my cabin a month or so ago to do a bunch of re-amping and found it to be much more of a one trick pony than I was expecting. Don't get me wrong, it does That Trick with armfuls of magic pixie dust. I just expected it to be more versatile I guess.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 3, 2016 8:55:16 GMT -6
Man, I really want amp sims to work and be viable for me but so far they just....aren't. I would pretty much have to have it in the UA Console (if not a standalone a la Kemper) cause I can't hack latency. But everytime UA comes out with one it sounds useable to me for about 2 minutes and then I compare it to mic'd amps and shudder. I have no doubt it can be done though. Just waiting for something to satisfy my ears. On a side note, I took a 1955 Deluxe up to my cabin a month or so ago to do a bunch of re-amping and found it to be much more of a one trick pony than I was expecting. Don't get me wrong, it does That Trick with armfuls of magic pixie dust. I just expected it to be more versatile I guess. Totally agree with everything you said. It's the latency and ease of use that is the pain in the ass. I can plug in the Kemper and shit sounds good. I might have to futz with a plugin for 10 minutes to get a decent sound. Then - there's the latency and the power drain on the computer. BTW, you know that the UA amp sims now work in the console, right? No latency...But I haven't heard one that is easy to dial in and sounds as good as my Kemper.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 3, 2016 9:01:33 GMT -6
at ua forum people are expressing concern about what happened to UA developed plugs ?
Hoping that the fender bender is a UA in house developed amp sim, if so, I expect it to be a unison plug so minimal latency issue.
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Post by ragan on May 3, 2016 9:13:28 GMT -6
Man, I really want amp sims to work and be viable for me but so far they just....aren't. I would pretty much have to have it in the UA Console (if not a standalone a la Kemper) cause I can't hack latency. But everytime UA comes out with one it sounds useable to me for about 2 minutes and then I compare it to mic'd amps and shudder. I have no doubt it can be done though. Just waiting for something to satisfy my ears. On a side note, I took a 1955 Deluxe up to my cabin a month or so ago to do a bunch of re-amping and found it to be much more of a one trick pony than I was expecting. Don't get me wrong, it does That Trick with armfuls of magic pixie dust. I just expected it to be more versatile I guess. Totally agree with everything you said. It's the latency and ease of use that is the pain in the ass. I can plug in the Kemper and shit sounds good. I might have to futz with a plugin for 10 minutes to get a decent sound. Then - there's the latency and the power drain on the computer. BTW, you know that the UA amp sims now work in the console, right? No latency...But I haven't heard one that is easy to dial in and sounds as good as my Kemper. Yeah that's the only way I try any sims, in UA Console. It's great workflow and latency wise. The only problem is I cannot stand the way they sound. I only had the Kemper here for like a week. It sounded better.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 3, 2016 9:21:58 GMT -6
Even the Kemper sounds like crap with the wrong profiles...
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Post by ragan on May 3, 2016 9:53:52 GMT -6
Even the Kemper sounds like crap with the wrong profiles... Yeah I definitely heard some terrible tones coming out of it too. Think they'll ever make a software Kemper?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 3, 2016 10:01:57 GMT -6
Doubt it...it would probably take up to many resources on the CPU and also compete with the HW that they can charge a lot more for.
BTW - stay tuned for UAD announcement at 1 PM CST.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 3, 2016 10:57:51 GMT -6
Fender® '55 Tweed Deluxe and Chandler Curve Bender are now in the Instance Chart.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 3, 2016 11:17:55 GMT -6
any minute ! Quote Originally Posted by ziggenpuss View Post
Released today?? Yep - it'll be up in a few minutes. You guys get the scoop first!
-GK Gannon Kashiwa
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Post by donr on May 3, 2016 11:25:10 GMT -6
Even the Kemper sounds like crap with the wrong profiles... The Kemper is merely a vessel for the amp/recording chain that goes into it. Crap amp, crap profile. Good amp, crap mic'ing/room/pre, crap profile. Great amp, competent recording, great profile. Kemper sounds amazing in that last case.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 3, 2016 11:54:14 GMT -6
Some back and forth from UA forum Mod to UA rep re: new Fender amp sim
Quote Originally Posted by Matt Hepworth View Post
So, obviously the Tweed amps have had a few models done. Besides Unison integration, can you share some info about what ground was broken in building this model and what makes it stand out? Hey Matt,
Yes, there's a great story behind this amp! It's our first guitar amp and we really feel we've taken it to the next level!
First, there's the 'golden units'. We bought a couple of pristine '55 Tweed Deluxe, and not just any ones. We got the 5E3 versions, which are the holy grail of the Tweed Deluxe line. Then, we did an end-to-end physical model of the entire amp - preamp, tone stack, power amp and transformer. Add to that the speaker and cabinet emulation that has never been done and that's what makes it so special. You have to try the speaker selection as every one is cool in their own way. There are literally no bad sounds on it!
The development effort on this was incredible and the unbelievably talented team was passionate about making every detail perfect.
Sorry for gushing, but it's really amazing.
-GK Gannon Kashiwa
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Post by donr on May 3, 2016 13:16:25 GMT -6
I look forward to trying it out the UA Fender. I do like the UA Friedman amps, they're totally usable and sound great, I bought 'em.
But with a Kemper right next to me, I'm lazy about trying to top it for sound or convenience.
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Post by ragan on May 3, 2016 13:48:28 GMT -6
This will be really interesting for me. I just did a bunch of re-amping with that exact amp (well, not the exact amp, but a pristine 55' Deluxe). Attachment Deleted
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Post by kcatthedog on May 3, 2016 13:58:29 GMT -6
I look forward to trying it out the UA Fender. I do like the UA Friedman amps, they're totally usable and sound great, I bought 'em. But with a Kemper right next to me, I'm lazy about trying to top it for sound or convenience. well you will have the 14 day demo
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Post by Johnkenn on May 3, 2016 18:11:53 GMT -6
Well, it sounds pretty damn good. To my ears, the best they've done yet. Here's a snippet of the UAD Fender 55 Deluxe and a Kemper Tweed Deluxe reissue.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/sets/fender-tweed-deluxes
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Post by wiz on May 3, 2016 19:53:52 GMT -6
I like B
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on May 3, 2016 20:16:00 GMT -6
You just like B in everything...
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Post by iamasound on May 3, 2016 21:31:53 GMT -6
Tweed ah la dee Deluxe.
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Post by ragan on May 3, 2016 22:20:59 GMT -6
B sounds more like a sim to me. Some sort of flatness in the midrange.
Granted neither sound bad.
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Post by donr on May 3, 2016 22:30:39 GMT -6
B has more midrange bite and sounds closer to "Brown Sugar."
But if A was the UA sim, and you profiled it with the Kemper, it would sound just like A.
And if B was the UA sim, and you profiled it with the Kemper, it would sound just like B.
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Post by ragan on May 3, 2016 22:41:29 GMT -6
B has more midrange bite and sounds closer to "Brown Sugar." But if A was the UA sim, and you profiled it with the Kemper, it would sound just like A. And if B was the UA sim, and you profiled it with the Kemper, it would sound just like B.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 4, 2016 9:09:54 GMT -6
Yeah - there are things I like about both. They're not the same amp, of course, so not really a fair comparison. I was impressed by the UAD sim.
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Post by mikec on May 4, 2016 9:48:29 GMT -6
Coming from someone that is a guitar player first and a recording fanatic second, I think both sound very good. Nice playing also.
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