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Post by dandeurloo on Nov 5, 2013 12:45:47 GMT -6
Kinda wish my Josephson C42s were in this test, I would have loved to have had that as a reference point. If I was guessing though they'd probably come up on the clean, sterile and bright side of things. Love them though. Had them in my test I did and the e22's. The C42'a honestly didn't measure up well to many of the others. The e22's did a lot better. The C42's where the biggest shocker in my test. I really thought they would have done better. Here are the mics I remember being in that test. AKG 451,AKG 452, km 84's, Gefell M300's, C42's, e22's, MK-012 with a DIY mod, AA CM28 and I am missing a few others. It was a few years ago. The stand outs from this test had beenn the KM84's, M300' and the MK-012 (killer bang for buck). Honestly most all of them are completely usable. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 5, 2013 13:25:07 GMT -6
Has anyone tried these? they're supposed to be km84 clones? they come in diy/completed units. Not sure about Beeznees... |
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Post by svart on Nov 5, 2013 13:31:15 GMT -6
don't hold back, be honest! is it just me, or is it a no brainer, the 84's slay all the other pretenders in this test...right? yep. There is a reason they are still considered THE SDC of choice, and their prices reflect it. I didn't think the KM184 was *too* terrible either, although it lacked some of the color. The rest were just shades of the original, with the AMI not even being a contender. |
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Post by svart on Nov 5, 2013 13:34:46 GMT -6
the top on the 84's seemed to have a silk about them, a sort of beauty that the others didn't seem to have at all? the peluso sounded particularly gutted to me. i'm going to have to listen again... i would've liked to hear those Oktava mics with the switchable capsules..the upgraded ones of course...Mk12's or something like that? The *real* Oktava MK012 are pretty nice. Not transformer coupled, but pretty smooth none-the-less. They trounce pretty much any other SDC I've played with that wasn't a KM84, A gefell, or a shoeps. They are kinda dark and not terribly good at translating super fast transients but that gives them a shimmery warmth without being shrill. I find that most of the Oktava stuff has this kind of sound, much like german mics have a *sound*. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 5, 2013 13:51:17 GMT -6
don't hold back, be honest! is it just me, or is it a no brainer, the 84's slay all the other pretenders in this test...right? I don't know about slay but it seems to have a different sound. I wouldn't go for it on acoustics. you are aware the km84 is probably the most used acoustic guitar mic in recording history? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 16:01:44 GMT -6
I don't know about slay but it seems to have a different sound. I wouldn't go for it on acoustics. you are aware the km84 is probably the most used acoustic guitar mic in recording history? Could very well be, certainly isn't unusable but I'd rather use the 184 at least in that particular case. If I had an acoustic that needed to be voiced a bit bigger the 84 seems to lend itself to that (based on these clips). The 84 would also be great to my ears if you're looking at capturing the whole kit in the overheads. Not usually a thing I'm going for though. I'm not hearing a massive quality difference between these though. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 16:02:28 GMT -6
Also, what about the Lauten Torches?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 5, 2013 19:48:10 GMT -6
Has anyone tried these? they're supposed to be km84 clones? they come in diy/completed units. Not sure about Beeznees... I have a BeesNeez Frank that sounds great. I'm pretty interested in the Lulu mics too, but haven't been able to lay my hands on any. I really dig 184's, but like variety. I have a Russian mk012 and agree that the Oktava stuff has a sound. It is dark compared to the 184's and has the same timbre as my Oktava tube mic. |
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Post by svart on Nov 6, 2013 9:23:20 GMT -6
Has anyone tried these? they're supposed to be km84 clones? they come in diy/completed units. Not sure about Beeznees... I have a BeesNeez Frank that sounds great. I'm pretty interested in the Lulu mics too, but haven't been able to lay my hands on any. I really dig 184's, but like variety. I have a Russian mk012 and agree that the Oktava stuff has a sound. It is dark compared to the 184's and has the same timbre as my Oktava tube mic. These days I get a lot of acoustic guitar stuff it seems. Most folks have modern acoustics and modern strings on them so they sound really bright, unlike the older guitars and strings that were a lot more mellow. The Oktava MK012 seem to work well on these guitars since they tame the twangy brightness. But overall, Russian mics seem to be darker and more tubby sounding than a lot of other types. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 6, 2013 11:11:31 GMT -6
I have a BeesNeez Frank that sounds great. I'm pretty interested in the Lulu mics too, but haven't been able to lay my hands on any. I really dig 184's, but like variety. I have a Russian mk012 and agree that the Oktava stuff has a sound. It is dark compared to the 184's and has the same timbre as my Oktava tube mic. These days I get a lot of acoustic guitar stuff it seems. Most folks have modern acoustics and modern strings on them so they sound really bright, unlike the older guitars and strings that were a lot more mellow. The Oktava MK012 seem to work well on these guitars since they tame the twangy brightness. But overall, Russian mics seem to be darker and more tubby sounding than a lot of other types. I have a self modded Oktava mk319, original capsule/tranny, it's friggin sweet, thick and chocolatey. I look for excuses to use it. |
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Post by svart on Nov 6, 2013 12:15:36 GMT -6
I modded my 219s and eventually unmodded them electrically. The best mods were the mechanical mods, getting rid of the grating over the capsule and putting a heavy mastic all on the inside of the body to get rid of the *PING* sound when the body resonates. But yes, thick is the word I would use for these. I use them for room mics almost exclusively.
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