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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 30, 2013 21:47:32 GMT -6
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Post by deehope on Oct 30, 2013 23:01:37 GMT -6
If its okay I have some files of a km84 against a JJ Audio 84 that I can upload as well.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 31, 2013 7:00:46 GMT -6
Yeah, that's awesome, Dee...You might have to put them on something like Soundcloud and link them though...
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 31, 2013 11:40:21 GMT -6
Anyone have thoughts on the shootout? What did you like?
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 31, 2013 11:51:56 GMT -6
I haven't listened on real speakers...but I could tell that the Peluso was brighter on the Acoustic guitar than the KM84...
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 31, 2013 13:55:16 GMT -6
MO, how much for the original 84? The top on that was buttery! the others...mehh, last place peluso
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 19:34:21 GMT -6
Wow.
the 184 is much clearer and mid forward to my ears. The rest are too close for me to call.
That signature series crash though, the horror.
On the Acoustic the AMI sounded almost cloudy to my ears.
On the Piano I really like the original KM84 (here I thought the Peluso and AMI we're VERY close to the original)
On drums I wanted to take that signature series Sabian crash and throw it... who cares what mic is on that thing? I couldn't get over that crash sound.
On the acoustic I liked the 184 and the Peluso. The AMI was extremely cloudy and the 84 slightly less cloudy but still feel the Peluso and 184 would get me to what I consider a good acoustic guitar sound.
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Post by svart on Nov 1, 2013 7:30:17 GMT -6
I couldn't really tell. the youtube compression really made it all sound pretty MEH.
At least two of those are based on the capsule and housing that the MXL603 started out with. I have a few of those, modified with all of the "favorite" mods that are supposed to make them "like" KM(1)84. My almost stock Oktava MK12s knock their dicks in the dirt on pretty much anything.
Edit: The one that I could tell the difference the most was that AMI. It sounded pretty nasal. Not good. Worst of the bunch.
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Post by svart on Nov 1, 2013 7:33:02 GMT -6
That signature series crash though, the horror. On drums I wanted to take that signature series Sabian crash and throw it... who cares what mic is on that thing? I couldn't get over that crash sound. He was hitting like a pus. The harder sabians need to be HIT for them to sing. But anyway, being the cymbal sound snob I am, I could tell he had the mikes in a place where he was getting some kind of mode going on. Sounded kinda phasy to me. |
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Post by popmann on Nov 1, 2013 8:30:43 GMT -6
Peluso's middle was most like the original. The 184 was more accurate than all--you heard every enharmonic rattle in the piano and it made a Tak sound...like a Tak. Which made it really not flattering in general.
The AMI was most different here to my ears. By a good bit.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 1, 2013 10:58:30 GMT -6
Peluso's middle was most like the original. The 184 was more accurate than all--you heard every enharmonic rattle in the piano and it made a Tak sound...like a Tak. Which made it really not flattering in general. The AMI was most different here to my ears. By a good bit. ?, without the context of being in the room as a baseline reference, how do you assess accurate? |
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Post by popmann on Nov 1, 2013 16:23:04 GMT -6
Fair enough--because it exposed things that weren't flattering in the sources. I have a hard time imaging the creaking of toms and the nosiness of a Tak near a flat wall or the odd overtones certain voicings on the piano were added. I suppose it could have a magical quality of always being able to emphasize flaws.
But, you're right. Accuracy is a slippery slope of speculation.
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Post by dandeurloo on Nov 2, 2013 10:46:52 GMT -6
I'm glad I own a pair of km84's!
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 2, 2013 16:36:34 GMT -6
But I'm sure you could just DIY KM84 and it would sound just as good?   I keed, I keed |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 2, 2013 19:09:48 GMT -6
don't hold back, be honest! is it just me, or is it a no brainer, the 84's slay all the other pretenders in this test...right?
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Post by Ward on Nov 3, 2013 12:57:33 GMT -6
A few thoughts.
1. No Miktek C5 to compare. It would've blown all but the KM84 away.
2. The acoustic guitar was a Takamine, for Pete's sake! Horrible recording guitars IMHO, and it's hard to judge the microphones based on that, at least for me.
3. A piano properly tuned would have helped, but based on where microphone positioning was (not a placement I would ever choose) the P84 seems to best represent what a piano sounds like.
YMMV!
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 3, 2013 13:15:42 GMT -6
I've actually been talking to Shannon about a C5 mod. Not really much I don't dislike about the C5 - maybe a little bright. |
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Post by dandeurloo on Nov 3, 2013 13:22:21 GMT -6
I've done a pretty large SDC shoot out myself. In think we had 10 different mics. Mostly all really great to some degree, a few sucked. The km84's did sound the best in most cases but if I hadn't already purchased them I would have bought some joly modded sdc's or the gefells. Lots of good options. I don't know of a good DIY option. It starts with the capsule and I don't know anyone doing great SDC capsules. Many of the LDC's I've built use vintage capsules or bees neez or thiersch capsules.
In general when in doubt, I find the km84's sound good to great, so I like them. I wish I had a pair of km54's but I can't justify the price. They sound great if not better then km84's IMO.
In the test video I wish Warren had a drummer buddy come play 16 bars and the puleso sounds the worst all round.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 3, 2013 13:28:33 GMT -6
Shannon can do sdc's.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 3, 2013 13:48:07 GMT -6
Shannon's the real deal, better get him before his services blow up to unobtanium status... Miktek CV5's hugh? |
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Post by Shannon on Nov 4, 2013 0:06:45 GMT -6
John know where I can get a C5 that I can break.........open. |
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Post by watchtower on Nov 5, 2013 10:19:02 GMT -6
Here's my opinions...
The KM184 sounds a lot like the KM84. People who claim to hear a humongous difference between these two should really listen blind and see if they come to the same conclusion.
The Peluso is very similar to the KM84, but a little bit brighter. It sounds good IMO.
The AMI does not sound very good at all. It's tubby, lacking a ton of high end, and even distorts on the drums.
The C5 (not in this test, but I have experience with it) is very bright. I don't like it very much, at least on my particular acoustic. I haven't used it on more than my acoustic and overheads. It sounds fine on overheads, but I will re-access after I begin mixing this album where I used them to track. I haven't used it a ton, but again, my experience of it on my acoustic is that it's extremely bright.
Soundpure has done similar shootouts, and they all show the same results. They show the KM184 is really similar to the KM84, the P48 is "relatively close" to the KM84, and that the C5 is a lot brighter than "even" the KM184. It's between a 3db to 9db peak at 11kHz judging by my tests in comparison to a KM184.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 10:31:56 GMT -6
don't hold back, be honest! is it just me, or is it a no brainer, the 84's slay all the other pretenders in this test...right? I don't know about slay but it seems to have a different sound. I wouldn't go for it on acoustics. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 10:33:52 GMT -6
Kinda wish my Josephson C42s were in this test, I would have loved to have had that as a reference point. If I was guessing though they'd probably come up on the clean, sterile and bright side of things. Love them though.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 5, 2013 10:45:13 GMT -6
the top on the 84's seemed to have a silk about them, a sort of beauty that the others didn't seem to have at all? the peluso sounded particularly gutted to me. i'm going to have to listen again...
i would've liked to hear those Oktava mics with the switchable capsules..the upgraded ones of course...Mk12's or something like that?
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