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Post by kilroyrock on Apr 12, 2016 8:16:43 GMT -6
I'm starting to feel like a pitchman - but I never worked on analog consoles except for running live sound at a theater for a few years. Most of that was just pushing up and down a fader, so even then it wasn't detailed. I got softubes console 1 used the other day and have been going through old mixes just trying to mix through it, and I'm finding it to be a lot more fun and am able to balance out harmonies a lot easier than when I'm trying to push through 3 different plugin windows. It's a good mix of being able to use your hands to find the spot on the track but have the recall. I'm looking forward to the neve console they're about to release. I do think that adding an OTB 2 bus is a good idea, because you can mostly set it and forget it, but I can't even imagine how much time it would take to recall the same mix from a recall sheet. Dr Bill, your toneamp is on my shortlist!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 12, 2016 8:54:20 GMT -6
I'm starting to feel like a pitchman - but I never worked on analog consoles except for running live sound at a theater for a few years. Most of that was just pushing up and down a fader, so even then it wasn't detailed. I got softubes console 1 used the other day and have been going through old mixes just trying to mix through it, and I'm finding it to be a lot more fun and am able to balance out harmonies a lot easier than when I'm trying to push through 3 different plugin windows. It's a good mix of being able to use your hands to find the spot on the track but have the recall. I'm looking forward to the neve console they're about to release. I do think that adding an OTB 2 bus is a good idea, because you can mostly set it and forget it, but I can't even imagine how much time it would take to recall the same mix from a recall sheet. Dr Bill, your toneamp is on my shortlist! What's this Neve console that you speak of?
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Post by kilroyrock on Apr 12, 2016 9:37:01 GMT -6
What's this Neve console that you speak of? www.softube.com/index.php?id=news151
Not a ton of info, other than it'll be a 1073,1084 eq and the 54 compressor. it'll be nice to have the SSL OR Neve flavors across the board. That pretty well sums up most plugins I use anyway.
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 13, 2016 6:48:20 GMT -6
What's this Neve console that you speak of? www.softube.com/index.php?id=news151
Not a ton of info, other than it'll be a 1073,1084 eq and the 54 compressor. it'll be nice to have the SSL OR Neve flavors across the board. That pretty well sums up most plugins I use anyway. But it only comes with the softube hardware controller???
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Post by kilroyrock on Apr 13, 2016 7:25:03 GMT -6
But it only comes with the softube hardware controller???
Well of course! That's the whole point - console feel with a software recall/plugin. You get the SSL 4000 WITH the hardware. You can also get the SSL 9000 emu. Their SSL stuff is great, so to have a neve desk really completes it in my eyes. Some folks try to use it as a plugin, but the plugin style interface is cumbersome; I wouldn't be surprised if it was on purpose. You can probably get a demo license and try it without the controller, but I think the investment in a used one is totally worth it at the right price. The less I can think about choosing plugins and more about getting the song right the better!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 13, 2016 7:51:56 GMT -6
But it only comes with the softube hardware controller???
Well of course! That's the whole point - console feel with a software recall/plugin. You get the SSL 4000 WITH the hardware. You can also get the SSL 9000 emu. Their SSL stuff is great, so to have a neve desk really completes it in my eyes. Some folks try to use it as a plugin, but the plugin style interface is cumbersome; I wouldn't be surprised if it was on purpose. You can probably get a demo license and try it without the controller, but I think the investment in a used one is totally worth it at the right price. The less I can think about choosing plugins and more about getting the song right the better!
I've been pretty interested in Console 1 for a while. Seems like the best of both worlds, but I've read about it being buggy. Are you on Pro Tools? I think the common complaint is that the controller doesn't follow the highlighted track in the DAW, meaning, you click on track 1 in the DAW, start turning knobs, and you're actually turning track 7 because you didn't click the physical button for 1 on the controller. Is that right? Have you come across any issues, problems, concerns?
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Post by kilroyrock on Apr 13, 2016 8:14:48 GMT -6
I've been pretty interested in Console 1 for a while. Seems like the best of both worlds, but I've read about it being buggy. Are you on Pro Tools? I think the common complaint is that the controller doesn't follow the highlighted track in the DAW, meaning, you click on track 1 in the DAW, start turning knobs, and you're actually turning track 7 because you didn't click the physical button for 1 on the controller. Is that right? Have you come across any issues, problems, concerns? A lot of people want to use console 1 like it's a plugin. There's this whole group of people angry about the follow track thing. What they need to do is let go of their mouse and use console 1 like you're supposed to!
Yes, I am using it with PT 11.3.1 left hand - select the channel (they are numbered, and it shows the track name and number at the bottom of the screen, so it's not like you're looking all over for this), then with your right hand, turn the knob you're trying to change. Simple. you can add the drive to every track by just flipping buttons one after another and turning the knob, takes 30 seconds, instead of opening and closing 15-20 plugins, navigating your mouse, moving it too far, then too short, or what I always find, you have to click and drag some other direction.
the only thing that frustrates me is if I want to change the order of the tracks. If you add an aux, you add it, then have to move the order in console 1. But again, it's uber simple. Just go to settings "change track order" (don't quote me), and you turn the knob to find the new place. As long as you do one at a time or conscious, it's mind numblingly simple.
I can understand why people would want to do the "follow track", but it's far from necessary. I think the thought is that plugins are king, but if they were, they wouldn't be buying console 1. There is a hole in the logic if you're using it like a plugin, it's supposed to be used like ...a console! I've been trying to mix solely with the console to see what I can do before crutching up and reaching for something outside of it, and it's a lot of fun. Quick too. With the transient shaper, I didn't own the TD plug, so it saved me 100 bucks (on sale). I can also say that every email question I sent has been answered really quickly and thoughtfully. The kind of support you'd want for your products.
I use it with an artist mix and level balance, then go through the tracks for any eq/compression, using the level on the console 1 as makeup gain for any compression.
The idea that it's buggy is wrong, it's workflow desires and loud people. I haven't ever had a problem with it running, but I also started using it this year, and not 2 years ago when it was first introduced.
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Post by warrenfirehouse on Apr 13, 2016 8:22:14 GMT -6
This does look really cool, but the million dollar question....how does it sound?
Have you compared the eq and comp against other top plugs? UAD? Slate? Waves? How about the TD? Have you compared it to the elysia or SPL?
Do the other Softube plugins work with the controller? (Cl1b, FET, etc...)
My only gripe with the controller is I wish the fader was a motorized touch fader like my faderport and not a rotary control.
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Post by kilroyrock on Apr 13, 2016 8:40:36 GMT -6
This does look really cool, but the million dollar question....how does it sound? Have you compared the eq and comp against other top plugs? UAD? Slate? Waves? How about the TD? Have you compared it to the elysia or SPL? Do the other Softube plugins work with the controller? (Cl1b, FET, etc...) My only gripe with the controller is I wish the fader was a motorized touch fader like my faderport and not a rotary control. There are a bunch of youtube videos including comparisons to the UAD and Waves SSL plugs, nobody has ever complained once about the sound of it. I have used TD, and it's so easy to just dial the amount in you want, it works the same. Softube sells a TD separately too, I figure it's probably the same thing, it's a 2 knob punch/sustain deal.
All of the other softube plugins work. I have the time and tone bundle thanks to the focusrite partnership, so I've been using the drawmer plugin as the compressor on my 2 bus to see how I can deal. You can swap out any eq or compressor and it just shows the knobs that correlate and can be used.
I see the level fader as a makeup gain knob for the compressor section, and not a fader. I have an actual fader for that. Modern digital resolution isn't an issue really in my eyes with 24bit (and 32 bit float if you like to get fancy)
Since I use the artist mix, I don't have to use my mouse to select what track, but you can jog over individual faders on the faderport just the same and then adjust that level?
I feel like I hijacked this thread, and I'm sorry, but I know how many questions I had about the console 1 and getting an OTB feel with ITB plugs. We are all searching for it. It does take me a second to think about where I want to put in my reverb aux fader plugin, but I just put the console 1 plugin 2nd from the top, so if I want to add a harmonic distortion plug or the puigtec for warmth on any track I can do that pre or post console. Granted, there's the harmonic distortion built into the console 1 as well, so I don't really do that either anymore.
my only gripe, is that there isn't a "maximize window" button so I can dedicate my second monitor to the console 1 view. I have to resize it. But recently I just let it take over the main screen since I don't ever go outside of it once I've started mixing.
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Post by svart on Apr 13, 2016 8:54:41 GMT -6
Running an Alphalink, with the MX4 DSP card, you get SSL console plugins with the mixer emulating software.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 13, 2016 9:10:15 GMT -6
Hey Johnkenn, do you think you could break out this Console 1 talk to it's own thread, if kilroyrock is ok with it?
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Post by kilroyrock on Apr 13, 2016 9:25:42 GMT -6
Hey Johnkenn , do you think you could break out this Console 1 talk to it's own thread, if kilroyrock is ok with it? I'm okay with it.
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 13, 2016 15:14:00 GMT -6
But it only comes with the softube hardware controller???
Well of course! That's the whole point - console feel with a software recall/plugin. You get the SSL 4000 WITH the hardware. You can also get the SSL 9000 emu. Their SSL stuff is great, so to have a neve desk really completes it in my eyes. Some folks try to use it as a plugin, but the plugin style interface is cumbersome; I wouldn't be surprised if it was on purpose. You can probably get a demo license and try it without the controller, but I think the investment in a used one is totally worth it at the right price. The less I can think about choosing plugins and more about getting the song right the better!
The only thing what kept me away from it was the stupid price tag which is in Germany 800 Euros. If they make it half that price with one emu I am in. But 800 Euro for a small controller just for their own plug ins... they must be dreaming?
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Post by kilroyrock on Apr 13, 2016 17:40:02 GMT -6
I agree on the price. It is 900 dollars here, with the SSL 4000. I didn't pay that, I got mine used, which was a much better price, from someone on the *other message board.
Granted, people pay 500 for the SSL from waves, so with that said,that would be 3-400 for the controller, which considering the size of the company, isn't a bad price. The artist mix was 1300...
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 13, 2016 18:15:18 GMT -6
I agree on the price. It is 900 dollars here, with the SSL 4000. I didn't pay that, I got mine used, which was a much better price, from someone on the *other message board. Granted, people pay 500 for the SSL from waves, so with that said,that would be 3-400 for the controller, which considering the size of the company, isn't a bad price. The artist mix was 1300... I know I did nit buy the Artist mix either... but mh I will try the console one but form what I have seen in a Video I cant imagine that it makes me feel like with the console.
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Post by papag on Apr 13, 2016 18:22:17 GMT -6
Neve British A Console 1 emulation coming tomorrow. That's the big boy everyone's been waiting for. Hopefully expectations will be met...
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 13, 2016 18:36:35 GMT -6
I know this is herecy, but I would prefer an API emulation to the Neve.
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Post by papag on Apr 13, 2016 19:57:47 GMT -6
Neve British A Console 1 emulation coming tomorrow. That's the big boy everyone's been waiting for. Hopefully expectations will be met... And it looks like it's just been pushed back to May on the Softube website.
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Post by papag on Apr 13, 2016 19:57:57 GMT -6
Neve British A Console 1 emulation coming tomorrow. That's the big boy everyone's been waiting for. Hopefully expectations will be met... And it looks like it's just been pushed back to May on the Softube website.
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Post by kilroyrock on Apr 13, 2016 20:49:58 GMT -6
I know this is herecy, but I would prefer an API emulation to the Neve. Definitely not heresy! I haven't been given enough examples of api magic recordings to really desire it but I think an API console could be awesome! I really like my tb12? What drives me up the wall is that I was raised in Maryland, and even went to jessup elementary. 2 miles from API my entire life. If I had been smart I would have figured out a way to work there, but nobody talked about this stuff when I was younger. I pleaded for a job there last year..got nothing!
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Post by kilroyrock on Apr 13, 2016 20:53:38 GMT -6
Neve British A Console 1 emulation coming tomorrow. That's the big boy everyone's been waiting for. Hopefully expectations will be met... And it looks like it's just been pushed back to May on the Softube website. I hope it is because there is some additional announcement. I dont have money until may though anyway!
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 13, 2016 20:57:35 GMT -6
I wish the new Kush-Audio Neve and API Transformer Plug ins would run on older OSXs as well but they don't. I do not upgrade anymore because every time I did it I had nothing but trouble, had to spend more money etc- www.thehouseofkush.com/#!plugins/cosa
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 14, 2016 4:47:39 GMT -6
I know this is herecy, but I would prefer an API emulation to the Neve. Definitely not heresy! I haven't been given enough examples of api magic recordings to really desire it but I think an API console could be awesome! I really like my tb12? What drives me up the wall is that I was raised in Maryland, and even went to jessup elementary. 2 miles from API my entire life. If I had been smart I would have figured out a way to work there, but nobody talked about this stuff when I was younger. I pleaded for a job there last year..got nothing! For me it's all about the API eq's. They can give me just the bite I'm looking for to make a track punch through and mix. When ai worked with the hardware, the Neve went on sources I wanted smooth and the API was to cut through. SSL did all the heavy lifting though.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 14, 2016 5:38:29 GMT -6
C1 on sale at jrr today significant discount in cart like $150 off I think ? I think Eric will ship internationally too.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 14, 2016 9:36:18 GMT -6
Eric from jrr just updated his post at ua forum indicating C1 will be on sale soon plus jrr will have a discount.
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