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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 24, 2013 16:16:46 GMT -6
Curious to opinions of, and was wondering, has anyone ever tried the jim williams modded aphex 651 expressor? I've got 4 now, and i really can't believe how effective and transparent they are, i find myself whomping the ratio knob now and again, just to make sure its doing something Lol! It is the best tracking compressor i've personally ever used because it's sonically invisible with even moderately hard settings.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 24, 2013 19:42:34 GMT -6
I really don't have anything to say, i just didn't want to have the only thread on the entire site with "0" replies
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Post by dandeurloo on Jul 24, 2013 22:05:12 GMT -6
I have a pair that are modded and love them. I honestly like them more then my distressor. They get used on every mix.
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Post by junior on Jul 24, 2013 22:17:20 GMT -6
Is there that much of difference between the stock and modded 651? Has anyone compared them side by side? I've been curious about picking one up for a while...
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 24, 2013 22:59:44 GMT -6
I have a pair that are modded and love them. I honestly like them more then my distressor. They get used on every mix. Dan!! glad to see you here! I put you in my developing "project hub" thread over in DIY forum. Yeah, they are killer, i actually changed a few caps in one of them to the elna silmic ll's, compared side by side, i think it sounds even better!
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 24, 2013 23:05:52 GMT -6
Is there that much of difference between the stock and modded 651? Has anyone compared them side by side? I've been curious about picking one up for a while... Yes, definitely, i've compared un modded to modded. stock isn't bad at all, but the modded version gets a (thin)veil taken off, and it becomes really fast and transparent, i mean really fast and transparent, Jim has said the phase response is so close to the un affected signal, you can practically null it with the compressed signal and get no remainder? i get that feeling when i usem, you have to knock the crap out of the settings to get obvious, but you can.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 29, 2013 14:25:54 GMT -6
Now I'm gonna have to pick one up...
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Post by dandeurloo on Jul 29, 2013 14:32:09 GMT -6
These are killer. Just look for some on Craigslist and buy it cheap. I think they range between 250 and 350 used depending on condition. They are great. The parts Aphex used originally are all high end parts and Jim takes them to a new level. They aren't tone boxes at all. Just clean leveling and they can be pretty fast as well.
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 29, 2013 18:23:20 GMT -6
Sorry to spoil the party, but after some use with the modded 651, I found it to impart a slightly harsh digital sound to everything.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 29, 2013 18:51:39 GMT -6
Thank God...now I don't have to pick one up...
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 29, 2013 18:56:32 GMT -6
Thank God...now I don't have to pick one up... Glad I could be of service :-)
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Post by jimwilliams on Jul 30, 2013 10:22:49 GMT -6
You can hear .002% THD and a very low .0005% IMD? Got to get you into Sterophile's record review section. BTW, you are the only one in over 20 years that said it imparts a digital harshness. Are you using analog tape tracks or, perhaps a digital converter or DAW? It will reveal warts too. I suspect your converters may have higher THD specs than this compressor.
A guy at the Record Plant said it best:
"It's like there's a little man inside running a fader up and down who's smarter and faster than we are".
I use 5 here myself. a couple are rebuilt with large torriod power transformers,heavy heatsinks and very high current .9 nv noise opamps. I often insert them and ask if anyone can tell. They can't.
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 30, 2013 10:33:58 GMT -6
You can hear .002% THD and a very low .0005% IMD? Got to get you into Sterophile's record review section. BTW, you are the only one in over 20 years that said it imparts a digital harshness. Are you using analog tape tracks or, perhaps a digital converter or DAW? It will reveal warts too. I suspect your converters may have higher THD specs than this compressor. A guy at the Record Plant said it best: "It's like there's a little man inside running a fader up and down who's smarter and faster than we are". I use 5 here myself. a couple are rebuilt with large torriod power transformers,heavy heatsinks and very high current .9 nv noise opamps. I often insert them and ask if anyone can tell. They can't. Hey Jim... much respect for your work and no disrespect intended. I am not the only one to say that, though. I've talked to a few former owners who told me they had the same experience.
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Post by jimwilliams on Jul 30, 2013 10:50:04 GMT -6
Have you heard the Distressor? That one sounds digital harsh to me. The Expressor is smooth as silk next to one of those.
Perhaps that Expressor had a misfiring opamp in it or the THD trims are off.
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 30, 2013 10:56:33 GMT -6
Have you heard the Distressor? That one sounds digital harsh to me. The Expressor is smooth as silk next to one of those. Perhaps that Expressor had a misfiring opamp in it or the THD trims are off. Yes, *had* a pair of Distressors... cool box but didn't love the edgy tone and have written posts about it before. I know it's a beloved comp but I chose to dump and buy the comp's it was trying to emulate. As for the 651, who knows... could have been whacky, anything is possible. I just found it to sound a little "hard" and a slight "metallic" sound to it.
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Post by dandeurloo on Jul 30, 2013 11:01:30 GMT -6
Yeah, my Expressor is almost like its not in the chain unless I am pulling over 6 db. Also, I usually have it set super fast more like a limiter so I would think I would hear it even more. I wonder if the Expressor you heard had something wrong with it? The only thing I ever notice is what seems to be a little loss of low end. But I think that is from the compression I am doing not the Expressor itself.
Jim have you ever measured it and seen any low end loss?
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Post by dandeurloo on Jul 30, 2013 11:06:40 GMT -6
Have you heard the Distressor? That one sounds digital harsh to me. The Expressor is smooth as silk next to one of those. Perhaps that Expressor had a misfiring opamp in it or the THD trims are off. Yes, *had* a pair of Distressors... cool box but didn't love the edgy tone and have written posts about it before. I know it's a beloved comp but I chose to dump and buy the comp's it was trying to emulate. As for the 651, who knows... could have been whacky, anything is possible. I just found it to sound a little "hard" and a slight "metallic" sound to it. Sal, I should run some samples of my JW modded Distressor. I was the same way with them. I was about ready to dump it all together. I thought it was worth giving it a shot with Jim. I actually really like it now. I am even looking for a good deal on a second one now. Which I would have never considered before. Note: I let Reid use it once on a MM tracking session we worked on and he gave it 2 thumbs up.
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 30, 2013 11:06:52 GMT -6
I certainly leave room for there being something wrong with the unit I had. But, I can assure you I'm describing something that was actually audible.
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 30, 2013 11:07:46 GMT -6
Yes, *had* a pair of Distressors... cool box but didn't love the edgy tone and have written posts about it before. I know it's a beloved comp but I chose to dump and buy the comp's it was trying to emulate. As for the 651, who knows... could have been whacky, anything is possible. I just found it to sound a little "hard" and a slight "metallic" sound to it. Sal, I should run some samples of my JW modded Distressor. I was the same way with them. I was about ready to dump it all together. I thought it was worth giving it a shot with Jim. I actually really like it now. I am even looking for a good deal on a second one now. Which I would have never considered before. Dan, please do. Too bad u don't have a stock Distressor to A/B against.
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Post by dandeurloo on Jul 30, 2013 11:09:54 GMT -6
Sal, I should run some samples of my JW modded Distressor. I was the same way with them. I was about ready to dump it all together. I thought it was worth giving it a shot with Jim. I actually really like it now. I am even looking for a good deal on a second one now. Which I would have never considered before. Dan, please do. Too bad u don't have a stock Distressor to A/B against. I agree. I wish I did. Maybe I can borrow one from a friend locally. I honestly haven't done a head to head with a stock one. I would love to have the chance to do that.
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 30, 2013 11:18:32 GMT -6
Dan, please do. Too bad u don't have a stock Distressor to A/B against. I agree. I wish I did. Maybe I can borrow one from a friend locally. I honestly haven't done a head to head with a stock one. I would love to have the chance to do that. I find that to be the real truth revealer.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 30, 2013 11:49:57 GMT -6
I think i hear a slight drop off on the bottom every time i plug a piece in a chain, but i dismiss that as me being a giant PI my own A! ha! But in my experience(none w/distressor) my modded aphex's sound as invisible as any single piece of outboard gear i've ever used. I never liked, and would rarely use tracking compressors before these, only in a wildly uncontrollable situation, now I set a hard limit, hit the convertors harder than ever with no worries, taking up as much bit depth as possible, and feel like I'm getting away with something.. transients in tact!..he he he
Btw, that "digital" thing sic was talking about, I've heard often, in fact, i obsess over not getting it, i think it is caused by a generally blatant dismissal of phase coherency in the mixing process(parallel compression), I call it the modern day synthetic film. My 651's do not display this remotely, which leads me to believe something was wrong with sics unit? or maybe something as simple as a connector wired out of phase? I guess we'll never know?
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 30, 2013 12:17:25 GMT -6
... which leads me to believe something was wrong with sics unit? or maybe something as simple as a connector wired out of phase? I guess we'll never know? Pretty sure not a cable issue as I used same cables used for many other units and no phase issues. Guess we'll never know for sure if it was a sick unit or not. Many others find the modded 651 a very useful tool, and I say more power to ya.
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