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Post by sozocaps on Apr 4, 2016 10:46:39 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 4, 2016 16:10:55 GMT -6
OOOO....please report back...
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Post by noah shain on Apr 4, 2016 19:41:24 GMT -6
Oh my...
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 4, 2016 20:14:09 GMT -6
what kind of converter chips does it use? and how much $ , wasn't able to find any info on price or chips...
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Post by ericn on Apr 4, 2016 20:16:25 GMT -6
You can just send it over here for a couple days! |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 4, 2016 20:19:41 GMT -6
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 4, 2016 22:09:03 GMT -6
Sorry, but are these guys kidding with this? they offer exactly 0 technical information, and a whole shit load of hyperbole, does anyone know what converter chips they're using? After reading this "about pep" www.jcfaudio.com/manuals/aboutpep.pdf i'm all but certain the JCF latte and this new box are mostly just hype machines, considering they say nothing substanative at all in regard to the pieces, it's all voodoo, i'd also add that if i want transformers on the front or back end of a converter, i'll add them myself, i don't want them on my conversion full time. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 4, 2016 22:37:46 GMT -6
Sorry, but are these guys kidding with this? they offer exactly 0 technical information, and a whole shit load of hyperbole, does anyone know what converter chips they're using? After reading this "about pep" www.jcfaudio.com/manuals/aboutpep.pdf i'm all but certain the JCF latte and this new box are mostly just hype machines, considering they say nothing substanative at all in regard to the pieces, it's all voodoo, i'd also add that if i want transformers on the front or back end of a converter, i'll add them myself, i don't want them on my conversion full time. |
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Post by noah shain on Apr 4, 2016 23:43:15 GMT -6
Sorry, but are these guys kidding with this? they offer exactly 0 technical information, and a whole shit load of hyperbole, does anyone know what converter chips they're using? After reading this "about pep" www.jcfaudio.com/manuals/aboutpep.pdf i'm all but certain the JCF latte and this new box are mostly just hype machines, considering they say nothing substanative at all in regard to the pieces, it's all voodoo, i'd also add that if i want transformers on the front or back end of a converter, i'll add them myself, i don't want them on my conversion full time. HahahHahHhHhBjJjajajajaja Johnkenn!!!! |
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Post by jeromemason on Apr 5, 2016 2:56:38 GMT -6
I would really like to hear the results and opinions here as well. I know when BLA designed their new clock one of the improvements that seemed to be a big deal was the improvement of the galvanic transformer isolation, from what I'm reading on a lot of these new converters and clocks that they're trying to remove as much active components as possible. Seems they're using a step up transformer to boost rather than active buffers.
Someone needs to figure that out.... a big part of the sound in these converters and clocks is noise filtering.
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Post by jrasia on Apr 5, 2016 8:18:32 GMT -6
I have 2 x AD8 for 16ch
There are no 'chips' per say in the audio path. They use custom wound Cinemag input transformers.
The AD8 effectively has two 'record' modes. Low latency mode(non PEP) and PEP.
The first is very open/natural sounding without the zing typical of ICs. Cymbals sound like cymbals. PEP initially sounds a little more 'round' but in actuality its just smoother and makes mixing gel unlike any other convert I've ever tried before. I've had my hands on myteks, antelopes, etc etc. Not a knock at those brands but the AD8 is very unique to say the least.
You gotta try them to see if they work for you.
Josh at JCF is very responsive which is always a big plus in my books.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 5, 2016 10:05:27 GMT -6
I have 2 x AD8 for 16ch There are no 'chips' per say in the audio path. They use custom wound Cinemag input transformers. The AD8 effectively has two 'record' modes. Low latency mode(non PEP) and PEP. The first is very open/natural sounding without the zing typical of ICs. Cymbals sound like cymbals. PEP initially sounds a little more 'round' but in actuality its just smoother and makes mixing gel unlike any other convert I've ever tried before. I've had my hands on myteks, antelopes, etc etc. Not a knock at those brands but the AD8 is very unique to say the least. You gotta try them to see if they work for you. Josh at JCF is very responsive which is always a big plus in my books. cool, do you know what conversion chips it's using, and the implementation? They should save the hyperbole, as it only makes them look bad, and one guy removing the lid and taking a picture answers ALL the questions they seem to be dodging, the funny part is, from the VERY little you can ascertain from their description, this seems up my ally, and eventually I will be looking for straight up AES AD conversion of higher quality, i already have 34 superb channels of killer DA, now get off my dang lawn!! |
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Post by sozocaps on Apr 8, 2016 21:42:39 GMT -6
I have 2 x AD8 for 16ch There are no 'chips' per say in the audio path. They use custom wound Cinemag input transformers. The AD8 effectively has two 'record' modes. Low latency mode(non PEP) and PEP. The first is very open/natural sounding without the zing typical of ICs. Cymbals sound like cymbals. PEP initially sounds a little more 'round' but in actuality its just smoother and makes mixing gel unlike any other convert I've ever tried before. I've had my hands on myteks, antelopes, etc etc. Not a knock at those brands but the AD8 is very unique to say the least. You gotta try them to see if they work for you. Josh at JCF is very responsive which is always a big plus in my books. cool, do you know what conversion chips it's using, and the implementation? They should save the hyperbole, as it only makes them look bad, and one guy removing the lid and taking a picture answers ALL the questions they seem to be dodging, the funny part is, from the VERY little you can ascertain from their description, this seems up my ally, and eventually I will be looking for straight up AES AD conversion of higher quality, i already have 34 superb channels of killer DA, now get off my dang lawn!! AKM chips Very quick test makes the 16x sound raw with much sibilance and mid heavy |
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Post by sozocaps on Apr 9, 2016 10:38:57 GMT -6
AK4115VQ to be exact
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Apr 9, 2016 11:30:15 GMT -6
What is "16x" referring to?
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 9, 2016 11:41:20 GMT -6
I'm assuming the Avid 16?
the spec sheet on that chip is woefully lacking benchmark testing(unless i missed it somehow after skimming the entire datasheet), i was unable to find THD, S/N or DR, it's an eight channel chip, it can be utilized in a single chip configuration that would certainly increase it's performance, if it's implemented multi chip for 8 channels, it will have some sonic shortcomings IME, a max of 2 channels per chip with a great psu is the deal imo. I really don't like a lack of info, Soz, can you post a pic of the gutz? that would be awesome!
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Post by sozocaps on Apr 9, 2016 11:48:07 GMT -6
I have no idea the specks on this chip but the sound of the converter is exactly what I was looking for... No more S,T,F,K glare on vox....
No EQ No comp
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 9, 2016 12:01:08 GMT -6
I have no idea the specks on this chip but the sound of the converter is exactly what I was looking for... No more S,T,F,K glare on vox.... No EQ No comp Pics! |
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Post by ericn on Apr 9, 2016 12:05:48 GMT -6
I have no idea the specks on this chip but the sound of the converter is exactly what I was looking for... No more S,T,F,K glare on vox.... No EQ No comp That's what it's all about! Pretty much what made me go Ramsa for years and why I'm now going RADAR! But man from what Noah has said I think you need to take a sip of the Latte! |
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Post by wiz on Apr 9, 2016 15:33:36 GMT -6
I have no idea the specks on this chip but the sound of the converter is exactly what I was looking for... No more S,T,F,K glare on vox.... No EQ No comp Sounds clear and great interesting lyrics... melody needs a bit of work 8) anyone with a teenage daughter will love this cheers Wiz |
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Post by sozocaps on Apr 9, 2016 17:51:15 GMT -6
I have no idea the specks on this chip but the sound of the converter is exactly what I was looking for... No more S,T,F,K glare on vox.... No EQ No comp Sounds clear and great interesting lyrics... melody needs a bit of work 8) anyone with a teenage daughter will love this cheers Wiz Yea sorry about the fill in talent, hard to engineer and get levels etc in the control room from the tracking room ! we will put it through its paces soon... |
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Post by tasteliketape on Apr 9, 2016 18:01:38 GMT -6
Ok I'm reading this with Very very limited knowledge and somewhat understand better components should mean better sound BUT if the components work well together and give a great sound does it matter ?
Just asking not trying to start anything in the end it's all about the sound right?
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 9, 2016 19:32:09 GMT -6
Ok I'm reading this with Very very limited knowledge and somewhat understand better components should mean better sound BUT if the components work well together and give a great sound does it matter ? Just asking not trying to start anything in the end it's all about the sound right? it's always about the sound of course, but there are fundamental things you can glean from a spec sheet that will tell you generally what to expect, IE. where bottle necks might be occurring, or conversely where something should shine, 8 channels on a single chip will have a tougher time than a single channel on a chip, when I demoed the Antelope Orion 32, it sounded pretty good on single channel to my ears, but then it fell down badly when it was loaded up, it's an 8 channel on one chip design, S/N and DR specs are all affected by this as well, the Orion doesn't spec near the top of whats available to begin with, so the result was predictable. Also, in my mind a bench mark bar has been set, if you don't reach close to the best specs available as a manufacturer, it indicates compromising, and thats fine, products have price points, but some of these rigs make some pretty big claims, and cost way too much money to be less than near the top of the spec sheet, of course this is JMO, but i want to know everything there is to know about whats going on inside, on paper, and if I like what i see, i have an expectation that wants a listening demo to give it the ultimate ears based..., yaay or naay. |
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Post by sozocaps on Apr 9, 2016 19:57:12 GMT -6
The other converters I was considering were the Merging Hapi... they speck about the best out and are balls clear and amazing!!!!!! bot to me for distance orchestra recording and some classical stuff but I personally find them like a laboratory environment and not musical for my needs at all...
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 9, 2016 21:57:39 GMT -6
The other converters I was considering were the Merging Hapi... they speck about the best out and are balls clear and amazing!!!!!! bot to me for distance orchestra recording and some classical stuff but I personally find them like a laboratory environment and not musical for my needs at all... this is where i part ways with a lot of guys, i do indeed want very neutral, natural sounding conversion, if I want color, i'll slap my gear(vp28 anyone) that smokes any transformer these guys stick permanently in front of a converter, then if i don't want color for something, i'm not stuck with it, it's a more versatile stance no matter how you slice it, and i dig that versatility. |
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