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Apr 13, 2016 11:14:11 GMT -6
Post by Randge on Apr 13, 2016 11:14:11 GMT -6
No, they aren't. That is your opinion and millions of Americans think as I do. I will never be on the dole. My pride dictates that. Also, instead of getting some useless degree and spending $100,000 for democrat indoctrination that won't turn into a job or career, I chose the trades and have many under my belt, so I will never feed off of society without earning it. I have a strong work ethic and will always do well because of it. If I get cancer, I am refusing any and all treatment and will die without being someones guinea pig or living.
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Apr 13, 2016 11:31:47 GMT -6
Post by Randge on Apr 13, 2016 11:31:47 GMT -6
Our hospitals and health insurance companies were mostly non-profits before the Reagan Administration refused to pay for the National Institutes of Health buying incubators that were capable of screening blood for AIDS. At that point most were turned into public corporations beholden to stockholder profits due to the massive risk that had been created by the best government money can buy. Obamacare gives individuals the same benefits corporate employees enjoy including no pre-existing conditions. Corporations renegotiate their health insurance yearly and go with the lowest bidder. In the past insurance companies subsidized their need to compete for corporate business by gouging individuals.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 13, 2016 11:36:22 GMT -6
Medical bankruptcy hits us all!
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Apr 13, 2016 12:20:14 GMT -6
Post by NoFilterChuck on Apr 13, 2016 12:20:14 GMT -6
If I get cancer, I am refusing any and all treatment and will die without being someones guinea pig or living. Are your wife and kids ok with this? Seems like a pretty selfish decision from their point of view...
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Apr 13, 2016 12:25:00 GMT -6
Post by Randge on Apr 13, 2016 12:25:00 GMT -6
No kids. Wife respects my wishes. I have had a lot of family get cancer and slowly wither away. I'm not doing it.
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Apr 13, 2016 12:26:08 GMT -6
Post by Randge on Apr 13, 2016 12:26:08 GMT -6
Until there is an actual cure for cancer, which isn't likely, I'll be checking out and making music with a golden reso.
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Apr 13, 2016 12:27:55 GMT -6
Post by Randge on Apr 13, 2016 12:27:55 GMT -6
Yeah, people pay for these kinds of educations.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 14:08:22 GMT -6
Randy, your statement regarding dying of cancer may be heroic and full of pride. But we may agree that other people could call that very irrational, from another point of view. And i am pretty sure nobody here wants to see you dying of cancer because of pride. This is not meant disrespectful. Also, i tend to ask you guys to not go into a debate about the values or non-values of education. I see you all try to be still polite even if this is a very controverse discussion. I want to suggest at this point to leave the thread as is and leave this scenery in a respectful and friendly way with the obvious result that we have to agree to disagree from different political points of view....
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Apr 13, 2016 14:34:45 GMT -6
Post by Randge on Apr 13, 2016 14:34:45 GMT -6
You don't get it. I took care of family members for 6 years as they withered away slowly and very painfully, for both me and them. That isn't happening to me. There is no pride accompanying that and I don't choose to go out like that. Fortunately, this is America, where I have a choice.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 15:40:57 GMT -6
Ah, i see, i obviously misunderstood your point. I might have got quite a bit emotional when it came to the cancer topic, due to personal life-events coming up in memories...maybe this added to this misunderstanding of mine. No offense...
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Apr 13, 2016 18:04:48 GMT -6
Post by Randge on Apr 13, 2016 18:04:48 GMT -6
For us, it's now the wife's mother. Stage 4 ovarian cancer that keeps coming back very quickly. Get this, they are going to nearly dissect her abdomen and turn it inside out while essentially pressure washing her insides with chemo. It's a new treatment they are starting to do.
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Apr 13, 2016 18:22:25 GMT -6
Post by EmRR on Apr 13, 2016 18:22:25 GMT -6
My father survived a brain cancer for 17 miserable years. Some things shouldn't be survived. Life insurance paid a death benefit for the cancer, even though he'd 'been cured'. It's a little hard to know when to fight these things.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 20:42:28 GMT -6
My mom nearly died and was fallen in a coma after the "Whipple" procedure that was made to get a last chance for surviving a pancreas cancer. She had been in very bad shape before the treatment and in the second week of come the docs told me there is no hope, it is a matter of days and i should already try to organize everything needed afterwards. In the night when my brother and me started planning the funeral and everything, my mother awaked from the coma, very unexpectedly. She struggled for half a year with nearly starving, due to the consequences of the procedure. She still needs a handful of meds twice a day, but miraculously survived. That was around 15 yrs. ago. It was a horrible time for years, the chances are very high that it comes back fast and strays. Nowadays she is really considered healed and tries to live every moment. I also lost a very good friend on cancer as a teenager. She struggled with cancer for 10 yrs, although the docs prognosed 3 yrs of survival. She died with 19 and we were together the last day of her life. She wanted to have a last sit-in with her friends, with pizza and beer, music and playing games. It was heartbreaking, but she was a very strong person who knew this day would come for a long time. We did our best to make it a nice sit in like it was so many times before. She seemed to be very weak but happy, smiled and laughed with us. She died the next morning. Things you can't forget. My best buddy was her brother. He and his wife became drug addicted to heroin in the time following, they could not stand the loss and tried to sedate themselves. I still see them from time to time on the street. He became clean from h but an alcoholic, his wife still struggles with heroin addiction. They are divorced for a long time. Their son already goes to school, 5th grade i guess. Although cancer is an everyday phenomenon nowadays, it is always dramatic and often a painful loss for those around, that can leaves deep scars...
I am always sad to hear of someome having cancer, and situations come back to my mind. I hope the treatment of your wife's mom works, Randy. Sorry to hear your story. Since i am an atheist, i can't speak a prayer, so i cross my fingers and send my best wishes that she is feeling better soon.
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Post by Randge on Apr 13, 2016 21:27:35 GMT -6
My father survived a brain cancer for 17 miserable years. Some things shouldn't be survived. Life insurance paid a death benefit for the cancer, even though he'd 'been cured'. It's a little hard to know when to fight these things. Yeah, I would hope and pray to check out if I had to have a low quality of life living miserably in pain knowing I wasn't getting better. No point in suffering, the patient and the family.
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Apr 14, 2016 8:14:42 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on Apr 14, 2016 8:14:42 GMT -6
My Uncle Mark was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in november 2015, less than a week later he had the Whipple surgery, 2 weeks later he was declared 100% cancer free, and a couple weeks ago he was again declared 100% cancer free, surviving pancreatic cancer is a rarity, he is currently feeling great and vacationing in Mexico!
conversely, my pal Dennis(Kidvybes) was diagnosed with liver cancer late Feb, and a month later he was gone, i miss the talks with my pal... Cancer is a total bitch, there are some serious advancements being made everyday, the may not find a cure, but I believe. they will find a way to neutralize it, much in the same way the haven't found a cure for HIV, but they have neutralized it.
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Apr 14, 2016 11:12:16 GMT -6
Post by Randge on Apr 14, 2016 11:12:16 GMT -6
Let's hope so.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 14, 2016 16:50:58 GMT -6
I have so many friends living today who would have been dead from the very same illness or accident 20 years earlier.
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