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Post by scumbum on Mar 24, 2016 9:01:10 GMT -6
Check out Bob Katz mastering room . It looks like the opposite of what is typically used . Theres a couch , LCD tv on the floor , wireless keyboard/mouse to use on the couch and what looks like a regular room in a house with a few acoustic panels on the wall . It looks like a total amateur setup , yet its Bob katz . Theres also shelves on the wall to his left which looks like it would mess up the sound with more reflections .
About half way through and at the end the camera pans around the room to see everything .
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Post by svart on Mar 24, 2016 12:15:36 GMT -6
It's an interesting look into his workflow.. A little too haphazard for my own taste, but in the end, the results are what matter and knowing your room/speakers is the most important part.
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Post by rowmat on Mar 24, 2016 17:43:42 GMT -6
Yikes! Sorry the room totally kills it for me Bob Katz or not. Can a room like this even have a 'sweet spot'?
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Mar 24, 2016 18:17:43 GMT -6
I thought it sounded very good!
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Post by ericn on Mar 24, 2016 18:42:05 GMT -6
As far as the room, if you look at it as part of the monitor system it's all about knowing what is does right and wrong. Also unless you been there you don't know what it sounds like. As sir Bob says sounds good, and Mr Katz has never disappointed .
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Post by formatcyes on Mar 25, 2016 0:03:00 GMT -6
This is a product of simply not enough money to pay the top guy's what they should be payed Bob Katz should have plenty of money to splash around for an awesome space a couple of employees cleaning making coffee answering the phone etc trying to learn as much as they can from him. Fact is even for the top guy's like this money is tight and shoe string is the game. Even so a am sure everyone would want Bob's mastering over mine even if I had a 10million dollar mastering studio skill and talent trump most things but it would be nice if he had both...
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Post by scumbum on Mar 25, 2016 10:31:01 GMT -6
I thought it sounded very good! You been there ? Is it really just like a room in a house with a few panels on the wall ? I'm not knocking his room , I think its cool how basic it is . Its actually inspired me to build my mixing room just like it . I can post pictures when I'm done . I did read some where he ditched the desk or table to avoid reflections . So he got a couch and wireless keyboard/mouse instead .
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Post by M57 on Mar 25, 2016 10:44:56 GMT -6
I thought it sounded very good! You been there ? Is it really just like a room in a house with a few panels on the wall ? I'm not knocking his room , I think its cool how basic it is . Its actually inspired me to build my mixing room just like it . I can post pictures when I'm done . I did read some where he ditched the desk or table to avoid reflections . So he got a couch and wireless keyboard/mouse instead . What's the flooring?
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Mar 25, 2016 10:46:33 GMT -6
Yes, I've been there. It's a good sounding room to begin with so it doesn't require much treatment. There's no need for isolation so there are few low frequency problems.
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Post by scumbum on Mar 25, 2016 15:05:29 GMT -6
You been there ? Is it really just like a room in a house with a few panels on the wall ? I'm not knocking his room , I think its cool how basic it is . Its actually inspired me to build my mixing room just like it . I can post pictures when I'm done . I did read some where he ditched the desk or table to avoid reflections . So he got a couch and wireless keyboard/mouse instead . What's the flooring? The flooring of Bob Katz room you asking about ?
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Post by M57 on Mar 25, 2016 15:09:57 GMT -6
The flooring of Bob Katz room you asking about ? Yes - I can't tell from the few times in the video where the camera pans around the room.
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Post by scumbum on Mar 25, 2016 15:14:26 GMT -6
I think this is the same room . Maybe carpet ?
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Post by scumbum on Mar 25, 2016 15:44:09 GMT -6
He talks about his room a little bit here ,
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Post by M57 on Mar 25, 2016 16:26:01 GMT -6
^^Fantastic video! A lot to take away, but right now my favorite Bob Katz quote is, "You can't fit 24 kilos in a 16 kilo bag."
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 25, 2016 17:34:51 GMT -6
Yikes! Sorry the room totally kills it for me Bob Katz or not. Can a room like this even have a 'sweet spot'? I am sure Bob Katz knows what good monitoring is but he also knows people listen to music in living rooms. May he keeps some of the home flair?
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Post by scumbum on Mar 26, 2016 8:56:18 GMT -6
Fantastic video! A lot to take away, but right now my favorite Bob Katz quote is, "You can't fit 24 kilos in a 16 kilo bag." Yeah I gotta watch it a few more times to take it all in . Tons of good info .
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Mar 26, 2016 9:49:09 GMT -6
Bob and I were both part of the first audio newsgroup started by Jim Johnston. That was followed by a mastering mailing list.
The internet was the only place we could learn anything about digital audio beyond Sony's PR and a few BS artists who regurgitated it in books and magazine articles because audio publication editors knew nothing about the subject. A lot of their mythology such as the idea of dither being optional lives on. I find the degree to which people will believe anything they read in a magazine or on the internet pretty frightening.
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Post by scumbum on Mar 26, 2016 9:52:24 GMT -6
Heres another good quote regarding people still making Vinyl records............."I think the people doing it are Loco"
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Mar 26, 2016 9:57:31 GMT -6
Vinyl is about the packaging as much or more than it is about the sound.
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Post by scumbum on Mar 26, 2016 10:00:31 GMT -6
Wheres a good place on the internet to learn about what he discusses here....Simple Rules to follow with digital...... Dithering , Word Length .....to keep the sound warm , wide and deep ,
press play , I saved the spot in the video where he talks about it ,
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 10:20:10 GMT -6
I think a sofa is very nifty in a mixing or mastering room. And i don't hear anything bad in the bass frequencies if i put a sofa in the room, not at all. But probably the opposite. I saw Bob Katz in this room in previous videos and thought quite a bit about how he came to this... But it fits the minimum impact philosophy perfectly IMO. Most obviously he first listened to the room and only did the changes he thought were necessary to make it his working place. banning desks and avoiding console type comb filtering is something that obviously helped him to reach the goal. If you start with like nothing, i.e. if you are going to build a mastering room from ground up, most people would do the room-in-room things and put a lot effort in building a room, that could stand everywhere and must not really take the rest of the house into account from an acoustical point of view. I mean, people even build new houses around their studio / mastering rooms, if they can afford it. This is very elaborate. And very expensive. But it may result in very forseeable results, too, even if the location may be suboptimal. But if the room already sounded very good from the start - why doing more than necessary to make it what he needs out of what is already there? And if he is comfortable working from he sofa, why not? Cool idea. Isn't mastering minimalism to get things sound right? I always see him doing his work very relaxed and calm, listening, thinking, and then trying the minimal impact correction. I guess this needs very high skills to work like this. And exceptionally trained, fresh and relaxed ears to hear what causes the problem. As we all know, affects, mood and constitution influence the hearing a lot, and i guess he tries to get a very consistent situation so these influences can be minimized and he stays fresh, very unstressed and open-minded. The relaxed style of working obviously does not harm this at all and i am sure he is working very effective nevertheless, or, better, because of this... Every time i see an interview with him, i do notice, how attentive and open he is. Many people of his age are much more introverted, bound to the past and tend to brood over things more and seem to have much less conscious perception. Heck, he is more awake than i am most of the time ... and quite a bit older! So he obviously does some things very right.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 26, 2016 10:36:56 GMT -6
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Mar 26, 2016 12:15:19 GMT -6
Not really opposite because Bob L's room is much much larger which that photograph doesn't accurately portray. Bob K's idea was to get the console completely out of the picture. I love the Georgetown setup which has the console behind everybody.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 26, 2016 12:22:07 GMT -6
Not really opposite because Bob L's room is much much larger which that photograph doesn't accurately portray. Bob K's idea was to get the console completely out of the picture. I love the Georgetown setup which has the console behind everybody. I'm sticking with opposite. Really large room. Massive mains purpose built with the granite stands. Everything spotless and totally organized in it's place. Huge workstation, in back, but still massive.
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 26, 2016 12:29:31 GMT -6
I read once that the place in which his mains are standing is something like a concrete pillar that goes 6' into the ground and is decoupled at the bottom. I'm sure it's way more detailed than that, but I know I read somewhere he did this on his mains.
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