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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 5, 2016 20:22:09 GMT -6
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Post by M57 on Mar 5, 2016 20:29:50 GMT -6
Some of the user reviews suggest that highs will be cut more than proportionally, but those comments don't seem to be written by people who are using them to listen to music. Might just be psycho-acoustic phenomena.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 5, 2016 20:41:46 GMT -6
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Post by mdmitch2 on Mar 5, 2016 22:15:46 GMT -6
I used to use these Docs Pro Plugs playing in a metal band (the vented ones). They're not flat, but waaaaay flatter than other cheap ones I tried. Although it's been a while since I used them, and there may be better products now.... They have a tiny pin hole in them which lets through much of the high frequencies, but keeps the overall volume in check. Also, they're very discrete, and no one will know you're wearing them. Oddly enough, they're primarily marketed to scuba divers, but I used to buy them at a drum store. www.amazon.com/Docs-ProPlugs-Pair-in-Clear/dp/B009MSUPF6 |
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Post by ragan on Mar 5, 2016 23:12:49 GMT -6
I used to carry those to shows. They do let in some highs and sound less muffled than foam. They're not by any means "flat" sounding, but I imagine none of this jamming-something-in-your-ear-hole-and-hoping-for-natural-sonics is going to go all the way. I think they'd be worth a shot. It might be worthwhile to put them in and listen to some mixes in an environment you know so you can get used to what they're doing. |
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Post by ben on Mar 5, 2016 23:26:43 GMT -6
I don't think any plug is going to give you flat, with that said, I have a custom pair from Ear Inc. and they are superior to any off the shelf plug I've used. Pricey, but you get what you pay for.
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Post by donr on Mar 6, 2016 8:44:09 GMT -6
I'm waiting for metal/punk bands to start wearing thrift shop behind the ear hearing aids as a fashion statement.
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Post by Ward on Mar 6, 2016 8:51:17 GMT -6
I'm waiting for metal/punk bands to start wearing thrift shop behind the ear hearing aids as a fashion statement. I think you're on to something here... a trend to get ahead of! |
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Post by donr on Mar 6, 2016 8:53:17 GMT -6
IEM's already look like hearing aids. They are, in a strict sense.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 6, 2016 10:03:21 GMT -6
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Post by donr on Mar 6, 2016 10:23:00 GMT -6
Last year, I joined a kickstarter group for this product: www.hereplus.meEarplugs with an active mic, earspeaker and DSP. With proper fit, they're a good conventional earplug, to which you can add back full range sound to your liking and comfort. There's a smartphone app, bluetoothed to the buds, that let you adjust gain and there's a variety of somewhat gimicky effects (reverb, phasing..) as well as some active noise cancelling. I recently received the product, and have used them in a few circumstances. I saw Los Lobos play last Sunday (great!) and wore the Here earpieces at the show. With them in, you heard the muffled low end and rolled off highs and mids typical of an ear plug. When I dialed in the active sound, I was able to get a pleasing balance with the highs attenuated by about 4dB that was more comfortable and enjoyable than listening to the PA system without them. Hard to judge the fidelity of the buds by themselves, but there was no obvious distortion or harsh frequency response. I'm glad I have them. I think battery life is a few hours, the case has L-Ion batteries as well and charges the buds on the go, and the case uses a standard USB charge cord. Beside dealing with loud concert sound, it's also promoted as noise pollution reduction, for airplanes, subways, etc. It is not earphones for your smartphone or iPod. The app just controls the settings on the buds. An interesting product, you wonder how many people would be open to something like this. |
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Post by donr on Mar 6, 2016 10:24:51 GMT -6
Jesse, Doppler labs make the Here buds. They were giving away the filters you linked at NAMM 2015. They're ok..
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Post by Ward on Mar 6, 2016 10:31:56 GMT -6
I have a set on order. I used to use something extremely similar years ago and they really help save your voice - because you drop down the volume level singing as opposed to trying to 'sing over the band'. |
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Post by donr on Mar 6, 2016 13:05:14 GMT -6
I have a set on order. I used to use something extremely similar years ago and they really help save your voice - because you drop down the volume level singing as opposed to trying to 'sing over the band'. Ward, I have a pair of those also. Bought them at NAMM. They're good, stronger in attenuation than the Doppler's and a better seal. And invisible. They would be good for live performance. |
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Post by stratboy on Mar 6, 2016 15:13:36 GMT -6
Hi, Jesse,
I have tried a bunch, including a couple of the MF options. Take a look at acscustom.com. Their non custom fit option is pretty even from top to bottom. Their custom fit are really good. I have a couple pairs and use then for varied applications from playing gigs to recording my AC 30 (that thing is freaking loud) to live sound and concerts.
Recommended!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 6, 2016 19:18:02 GMT -6
Hi, Jesse, I have tried a bunch, including a couple of the MF options. Take a look at acscustom.com. Their non custom fit option is pretty even from top to bottom. Their custom fit are really good. I have a couple pairs and use then for varied applications from playing gigs to recording my AC 30 (that thing is freaking loud) to live sound and concerts. Recommended! I'm planning to have some custom molded plugs made, but really looking for an inexpensive alternative in the meantime. These look awesome, but are over budget for now. Of the cheaper units you've used, did you have a favorite? |
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Post by stratboy on Mar 6, 2016 22:13:01 GMT -6
The ACS Custom Pacato Universal. They claim -19dB. I can't verify that, but I perceive them as pretty even across the spectrum and I like that.
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Post by donr on Mar 6, 2016 23:04:09 GMT -6
The Pacato Universal. They claim -19dB. I can't verify that, but I perceive them as pretty even across the spectrum and I like that. Thing is, an ear plug could be flat attenuating but you won't hear it that way, because the lows will come into and around your ear and your sonic perception despite any ear plug. So a plug that attenuates evenly won't sound that way. It'll still be low heavy, as you hear your environment with any ear plug. It will just be better than if you just put a foam plug in your ear. |
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Post by stratboy on Mar 7, 2016 5:37:56 GMT -6
You are right about the lows, Don. That's why I said perceived. With just about any plug, foam or sophisticated, I hear the bass and the kick okay at the lowered volume. Its not hearing the mids and highs that drives me crazy and the Picatos seem to lower the mids and highs enough without rolling them off. I can rehearse with the band for several hours, hear the vocals and guitars fine, go home and my ears don't ring.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 7, 2016 9:29:49 GMT -6
Well, I went rogue and ordered a pair of these... www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015WJQ7AI was going to order the inexpensive ASC, but they're still coming in at double the price of these guys and I had some Amazon credit. I think these will be good enough until I can get some custom molded ones made. |
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Post by stratboy on Mar 7, 2016 12:43:47 GMT -6
Smile. I have a pair of those, Jesse. I found they attenuated the highs more than I liked.
YMMV.
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Post by Randge on Mar 8, 2016 21:12:54 GMT -6
I too would say Earasers. They really helped me on the last Fogerty tour I did. That stage is an insane volumes and without them, I would be deaf by now.
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