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Post by popmann on Oct 19, 2013 22:31:06 GMT -6
I'm always curious the breakdown of source versus recording gear...this is obviously not intended for those running full service commercial rooms, but for artists' project studios.
So, in one pile, you have source:
-instruments/amps -samples/VIs -room treatment
Then you have recording gear:
-DAW -Mics/pres/DIs -EQ/compressors -mixers -monitors -AUDIO plug ins
I have to keep records for my insurance company, so this is something I know. And it's a way to have this discussion without talking absolute dollars. My first "serious" home studio (about 20 years ago) was about 75% sources and 25% recording gear. At one point, about 7 years ago, it hit 50/50...since then, some nice amps and a piano have pushed it back to somewhere in the 65/35 range, but it comes up because I haven't updated my insurance since my platform switch. Stuff left. Stuff was bought.
I'm curious because I so often see $5k MacPros....and tons of plug ins...and a rack of compressors/pres/EQs...to record a BluesJr, a MexiStrat, and some old synth. Making it easily 20/80 in favor of recording gear. I assume there must be a bunch in samples I don't see--which might bring it back some, but...I'm curious of your collective breakdown.
Obviously, it depends a lot on the artist's instrument(s) they play. I mean...a nice cello...or a grand piano...yikes, you know? Would make it 90/10 even with a really expensive recording set up. I'm just wondering if there's a kind of general average percentage. If nothing else, it gives a little check into whether you're really putting source first. It's easy to pay lip service to "source is the most important thing"...but, follow the money...is it really, for you?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 19, 2013 22:45:34 GMT -6
I feel like I'm around 50/50 with this. Over the last year I sold off some instruments and put that money towards recording gear. Prior to that I was probably 75/25 in favor of instruments. I'm pretty happy with where the balance is currently.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2013 22:46:36 GMT -6
I'd say 60/40 in favor of source stuff.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 19, 2013 22:49:09 GMT -6
I feel like I'm around 50/50 with this. Over the last year I sold off some instruments and put that money towards recording gear. Prior to that I was probably 75/25 in favor of instruments. I'm pretty happy with where the balance is currently. To add to that, I have some collaborators that also have recording gear and great instruments. Having this network adds an additional dimension. If I need a Les Paul or a B15, it's a call away. U87 OR 184's, same deal...among other stuff.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 19, 2013 23:27:42 GMT -6
I guess a 1972 Jazz bass and my bro's 1955 les paul really increase the value of the source side here? but then again, if i had a real fairchild 670, that'd be about $60K! so i guess it varies widely for everyone, so my answer is C=depends on the person? my set up is....id say....close to 50/50
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Post by svart on Oct 21, 2013 9:09:26 GMT -6
In mine, I'd say:
10% studio owned source gear. 50% mic placement and choice. 40% recording gear.
You see, I have a few sources that I've bought, but I've spent an enormous amount of time figuring out which mics to use and how to place them on each one of these things. For the source gear, I've learned how to set it for a lot of different scenarios. I also keep it in fairly good shape. Fairly often I get folks in the studio who bring in some really awful gear. Either it just sounds bad, or it hasn't been kept up. Ringing tubes or bad biasing, humming pedals, digital POD pedals, etc. Once they actually hear it through mics, their faces turn to frowns. that's when I suggest running it through my gear or making drastic changes. Usually we find a good compromise. Sometimes it's just adjusting their own settings like turning down the gain to a reasonable level. You see, I don't see gear quality as a gating factor. If you bought something, it's because you liked the tone for the money you paid. If you settled for something less then we'll use my gear. If you like your tone, we'll use it. My priority is always going to be transferring whatever tone you bring me to the recording in the best possibly quality I can.
Now I'm going to buck the trend and say that mic choice and placement is a lot MORE important than the source. Most folks have a "tone" they get. Recording through any mic will get them the "tone", but does it sound pleasing? Usually not. You can tell a JCM800, bassman or Mesa rectifier by it's tone, but does it sound good? The mic choice and placement can make a huge difference. let me tell you why..
It's because mics don't hear the same as ears. I know that's an understatement, but it's true and usually completely overlooked by most people. What sounds good to your ears in a room mic sound like shit to your mic, and vice-versa. If you have good enough mics and know how they respond in certain situations, then you can adjust accordingly. You know that the Mesa rectifier that your client is using has too much muddy low end. You also know that turning down the LOW frequency knob on the amp will make it lose it's thump that it's known for and get all tinny.. So you choose a brighter mic and move it back a little bit from the cabinet. TADA.. Mic choice and placement trumps your source.
Now, some of you are still shaking your heads..
Well, I also think that the gear matters more than the source too. Why? Because once you've got a good sound through your mics, your gear should be good enough to NOT mess the sound up. That's all there is to it. Always let the source be the bottleneck. Don't impede the sound with your gear unless you are SUPPOSED to be doing that.
I know I'm going against the trend and that the party line is that "the source is where the sound is", but I'd wager that a lot of folks who parrot this are players, not recorders. Recorders have to make due and make it work or they don't get paid. Just like practicing your guitar for hours every day to get good, we recorders have to do the same. We have to know our gear inside and out and what settings and what mics and placements to use, just like guitarists and their scales and notes.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 21, 2013 9:51:52 GMT -6
Svart, i think popman's talking about $? i could be wrong, i don't understand him too well, nor him I lol peace popman;)
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Post by popmann on Oct 21, 2013 10:12:41 GMT -6
Yes, money invested. I figure percentages were a good way to discuss without getting into real dollars. By "players" (as Svart put it) who record in their project studios. NOT commercial studios, as pointed out in the OP, which have a different balance because the source AND situation varies day to day.
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Post by svart on Oct 21, 2013 11:16:49 GMT -6
Ah sorry, I took away a different meaning from the words. My studio did start out as a project but eventually morphed into something more..
The prices of the studio sources are just a very small fraction of the total of the studio itself. I'd say I have less than 2.5K$ totally invested in all of the drums, cymbals, guitars, amps, speakers, pedals, cables, power supplies, etc, while the total studio-only gear expenditure might be in the 20K-30K$ range. I'm not sure it means much because I also did a lot of my own work, like I built the guitar cab box and just bought the speakers, bought my amps broken and fixed them, etc.
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Post by noah shain on Oct 22, 2013 8:42:29 GMT -6
I'd say I'm somewhere around 10/90... 10% source and 90% recording gear. There's a gear rental company in the same complex as my studio though. I let them carry the insurance on the instruments! It"s probably about $350,000 in pro audio and $40,000 in instruments/amps/accessories.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 29, 2013 9:56:13 GMT -6
I've always found 90% is in the performer's fingers! After that comes monitors so I'll make the right choices and not try to "fix" what ain't broke.
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Post by henge on Oct 29, 2013 10:32:45 GMT -6
I've always found 90% is in the performer's fingers! After that comes monitors so I'll make the right choices and not try to "fix" what ain't broke. Man ain't that the truth!! It's always been amazing to hear another player pick up and play on someone else's rig. Very different sound!!
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Post by wreck on Oct 29, 2013 10:45:36 GMT -6
I am kind of a minimalist - aka broke - but I have one great bass and amp, one great electric and amp, one great acoustic, then the best mics I can afford and best pres I can afford and then it's all in the box. I think it ends up about 40/60 for me in favor of gear, but that's really just because it takes so many mics, stands, cables and pres to close mic drums.
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