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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 21, 2016 12:23:19 GMT -6
I could see these as nice color tools. I use VCC and it does seem to add punch and a little depth. Maybe this could add a little more.
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Post by jeromemason on Jan 21, 2016 12:37:03 GMT -6
I would be insanely surprised if that Telfunken comes close, how amazing would that be though, but I've searched and searched and I can't even find any hardware that will get close. There is something extremely special about the plate choke and transformers in that preamp.... Oliver was the only one to really get near it with a repro.
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Post by tasteliketape on Jan 21, 2016 13:20:12 GMT -6
Jerome have you looked into the SonicFarms pre?
I been looking but I can't find any real user info other than there website
Thought maybe you've heard one or checked your more in the know than I or anyone else?
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Post by ragan on Jan 21, 2016 14:00:10 GMT -6
Tried them quickly (the Slate plugs). They sound nice. Very creamy.
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Post by RicFoxx on Jan 21, 2016 14:20:21 GMT -6
Tried them quickly (the Slate plugs). They sound nice. Very creamy. Ragan, did you use the Apollo preamps? |
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Post by jdc on Jan 21, 2016 14:22:59 GMT -6
I could see these as nice color tools. I use VCC and it does seem to add punch and a little depth. Maybe this could add a little more. in the video he references using the VPC with cleaner preamps, do you notice any kind of difference in the effectiveness of the VCC with regards to transformer vs transformerless preamps? I'm wondering how a source sounds' color would affect the efficacy of his plugs |
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Post by ragan on Jan 21, 2016 14:27:55 GMT -6
Tried them quickly (the Slate plugs). They sound nice. Very creamy. Ragan, did you use the Apollo preamps? No. I just stuck them on some tracks I already recorded (through the Heritage DMA73). Only had a minute to mess with them so I just wanted to hear them. |
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Post by category5 on Jan 21, 2016 19:16:32 GMT -6
Try them with your cleanest pre. The illusion is really evident when you use them in real time. You can sort of feel the way they react dynamically. I'm really impressed with how these turned out.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 21, 2016 19:45:51 GMT -6
You talking about running with input monitoring on and recording on the way in?
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Post by category5 on Jan 21, 2016 20:14:36 GMT -6
You talking about running with input monitoring on and recording on the way in? Yep. Monitoring through it in the daw. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 21, 2016 20:18:14 GMT -6
It's been so long since I've done that, I don't know if I remember how lol.
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Post by drbill on Jan 21, 2016 20:41:18 GMT -6
Kush is doing the same thing with the Omega - clean pre / plugin after the fact to "transform" the pre into "XYZ". I think this signals the beginning of the end.... It's one thing to use these digital tricks for post recording processing, but IMO it's a completely different situation when you try to digitally trick your monitoring to believe you're getting your source captured the way you want it. <<sigh>> Welcome to the new world....
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 21, 2016 20:49:41 GMT -6
and its all 1's and 0's  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 21, 2016 20:50:49 GMT -6
You talking about running with input monitoring on and recording on the way in? Yep. Monitoring through it in the daw. are you demoing it or did you bite the sub bullet ? |
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 21, 2016 20:54:17 GMT -6
Why using fake pres if my rack smiles with two 1073 right into my face..
Do I get it right by now.
We fake mics (Virtual mic collection) we fake preamps (Virtual preamp collection) we fake mixing desks (Virtual Console Collection)
Not to forget we fake musicians too, using virtual Instruments....
Sounds like a plastic world, with plastic artists in modern pop music.
Did I mention that I quit the job with the Sony artist?
Too much plastic in my brain.
Wuzzza....
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Post by rowmat on Jan 21, 2016 21:01:47 GMT -6
Why using fake pres if my rack smiles with two 1073 right into my face.. Do I get it right by now. We fake mics (Virtual mic collection) we fake preamps (Virtual preamp collection) we fake mixing desks (Virtual Console Collection) Not to forget we fake musicians too, using virtual Instruments.... Sounds like a plastic world, with plastic artists in modern pop music. Did I mention that I quit the job with the Sony artist? Too much plastic in my brain. Wuzzza.... Yeah and virtual engineers and producers are just a mouse click away!  |
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Post by Quint on Jan 21, 2016 21:07:19 GMT -6
I've gotta draw the line at this preamp and mic modeling stuff. I don't mind using plugins for mixing but I will ALWAYS, at the very least, use quality mics and preamps on the way in. All the fun and skill goes out of it if you literally leave every single decision to mixing time. I suppose if you print it on the way in it's not as bad but I suspect many will leave it until mix time. I'm honestly surprised Greg (Kush) decided to go down this road.
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Post by drbill on Jan 21, 2016 21:12:21 GMT -6
I'm honestly surprised Greg (Kush) decided to go down this road. I am as well. I fully expected it from Slate. Follow the money....... |
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Post by drbill on Jan 21, 2016 21:35:38 GMT -6
The next thing is virtual audio tracks so that you can change notes, lyrics, etc after the musicians / vocalists leave.....
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Post by lolo on Jan 21, 2016 21:48:58 GMT -6
Plain and simple. Thats where the money is. Bedroom studio guys with a computer, interface, $200 mic, and some headphones or cheap monitors. Bunch of plugins and vsti's. They will be all over this.
Mainly catering for that marked.
I do reckon these can be nice for adding some colour to individual tracks, Sampled vsti's.
Personally i dont think it can replace and Neve, API, V76 pre at tracking time.
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 21, 2016 22:08:00 GMT -6
I'm honestly surprised Greg (Kush) decided to go down this road. I am as well. I fully expected it from Slate. Follow the money....... My first thinkig was that it makes the SB more intresting to hobby producers like me. Because now everbody can smell that something is wrong with faking the whole path. If I where you I would AB that in a YT Video just to make clear that a nice frontend makes sense. Its a diffrence if I play my Stratocaster into the 1073 or into the clean RME mic pre, or into my SPL Ch. one. It has an influence on me as player as well.... I think its a mistake to paint it after tracking?!? |
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Post by rowmat on Jan 21, 2016 22:36:13 GMT -6
If we all live long enough there will be a renaissance in recording through real gear. Hipster Sound Studios!! Better start looking for wire recorders and old Edison players! |
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 22, 2016 3:57:53 GMT -6
Prepared songs/musicians became a rare thing.
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Post by formatcyes on Jan 22, 2016 4:06:12 GMT -6
The next thing is virtual audio tracks so that you can change notes, lyrics, etc after the musicians / vocalists leave..... Between revoice and melodyne 4 the only thing you cannot do is change the lyrics. You could shuffle them around. Not a bad idea for a plugin relyric  |
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Post by category5 on Jan 22, 2016 9:09:57 GMT -6
Nobody is pitching fake musicians here. Technology will inevitably influence the tools of any field. Nobody complains about sampled pianos and reverb emulations nowadays. That's just how it's done. Eventually preamp and mic emulations will be the same. Look, nothing beats hardware, but the science of algorithms is progressing quickly and there are some insanely smart dudes making it their life's work. These plugins sound pretty damn good if you use a really clean source pre, so why would anyone draw the line at using a tool that sounds good? Granted, if the results don't do it for you there's no need to force it but I can see how an 8 pack of clean pres and emulations like this could really be flexible. Also, don't underestimate the power of using 8 identical pres to mic a drum kit.
I've always been a fan of technology so I love to see what science and creativity can accomplish. Still, I'll always love real gear the most. It gives a tangible, interactive, "real" feeling that emulations just wont get to reproduce. That doesn't mean the results can't equate, and that doesn't mean i won't be the minority sooner than we can all imagine.
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