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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 20, 2016 16:09:05 GMT -6
www.ikmultimedia.com/products/lurssen/  The mastering software/app bigger than the sum of its parts Master your music with the secret techniques, workflow and world-renowned knowhow of Lurssen Mastering Lurssen Mastering Console is a groundbreaking new mastering tool that puts a lifetime’s worth of professional mastering experience at your fingertips. Created in collaboration with Grammy Award winning mastering engineer Gavin Lurssen, Rueben Cohen and their team at Lurssen Mastering in Los Angeles, it puts you at the controls in the studio with all of the secret tools, settings and techniques that have made the Lurssen sound so sought after by the world’s top-tier recording artists and producers. Lurssen Mastering Console It faithfully recreates his “whole is greater than its parts” philosophy of mastering. With it, you get a top of the line mastering processor chain that has been created and tweaked by Gavin and his team to reflect the settings they use in the studio while mastering hip-hop, rock, pop and more. With Lurssen mastering Console, you finally have a way to make professional sounding masters no matter whether you’re in the studio or on the go. Lurssen Mastering Console Gavin Lurssen and Reuben Cohen Lurssen Mastering Console A sound philosophy Lurssen Mastering Console is a totally new approach to digital audio mastering. It provides a complete emulation of the entire mastering processing chain used by world-renowned mastering engineers Gavin Lurssen and Reuben Cohen and their team. This chain includes tube equalizers, solid state equalizers, limiters, de-essers and solid state compressors. The simulation of this chain reflects their “whole chain philosophy” — a belief that outstanding audio mastering comes from the careful selection and routing of gear, and the subsequent interactions created by those choices. Lurssen Mastering Console models and recreates the interactions between the individual processors in its chain down to the actual gear hookup schematics themselves. This approach effectively gives you access to over 25 years worth of knowledge in the form of workflow secrets, special techniques, signal chains and technical knowhow.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 7, 2021 11:27:11 GMT -6
So just got around to demoing this...and I'm really kind've shocked. Only used it on one Americana type thing, but it kind've sounds better than my intensive tweaking on Ozone 9. And louder. Really wish it had more tweakability.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 7, 2021 11:41:52 GMT -6
$160 not crazy money!
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Post by christopher on Oct 7, 2021 11:52:38 GMT -6
I agree, this one has been a nice surprise for me in the group buy. I watched this long video last night. It was good to watch because it explains it pretty well. And they explain high end mastering thought processes at the same time.
It’s a long video though. The main take away: the presets are patched chains of different gear so they switch between solid state/tube stuff for example as a starting point.. , under the hood compression is always making a huge smiley curve, so the EQ is used to boost the smile back to a flat shape. +15dB doesn’t really mean +15, They use a de-esser to softens the highs, so they can push highs and limiter harder when needed. They also show how to automate stuff and how that can help.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 7, 2021 12:14:13 GMT -6
Well, just kind've extensively went back and forth with the Lurssen and my normal chain of Ozone 9 and Stealth limiter...Actually used the Maximizer and the Stealth...and stll feel like the Ozone/Stealth chain sounds bigger with a little more openness. Can't decide whether I should pick this up or not, because it was soooo quick to get close and I probably haven't really maximized its potential yet
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 7, 2021 13:03:31 GMT -6
It seems with the presets, that they would quickly get you to a good point snd you can still tweak from there .
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 7, 2021 13:36:45 GMT -6
Just listened in the car and I thought the ozone stealth was a lot more open and punchy.
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Post by christopher on Oct 7, 2021 14:08:36 GMT -6
So weird, I just tried lurssen in the car with the iphone app.. they let you do a free demo (with the hiss crap).
Was a little tricky to load a track but this works: In google drive app, go to file "open in" and Lurssen shows up as an option... it loads the file and I could tweak it to the car speakers. If I want to export it as a wav, they want money... but I just did a screenshot of settings. Hopped from my car to wife's car, surprised my tweak from car1 held up... went inside and recalled my setting from the pic.
its still early in this honeymoon for me..
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Post by christopher on Oct 7, 2021 14:40:07 GMT -6
Just listened in the car and I thought the ozone stealth was a lot more open and punchy. I think that is probably a cleaner way to go? Ultimately all this stuff kind of gets us to a similar place.. Your stuff has been sounding really great, nothing ever feels flawed. So I trust your ears on this one. I grabbed Stealth too so I’ll be testing that more as time goes by. I also have Ozone elements. I think Lurssen EQ might be nice for certain things, like rolling off harsh stuff. Too bad we can’t bypass the internal limiter, though I can run input really low so it doesn’t do anything |
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Post by wiz on Oct 7, 2021 15:21:28 GMT -6
I have owned it for a couple of years….I played with it for a while I don’t think it ever made an album
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 7, 2021 16:39:28 GMT -6
I have owned it for a couple of years….I played with it for a while I don’t think it ever made an album Cheers Wiz Just not enough tweakability. |
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Post by wiz on Oct 7, 2021 18:18:25 GMT -6
I have owned it for a couple of years….I played with it for a while I don’t think it ever made an album Cheers Wiz Just not enough tweakability. I think so…..it was kinda cool, but I needed more adjustment |
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Post by Guitar on Oct 9, 2021 10:49:46 GMT -6
It's "fast" that's the thing for me. When I'm cranking out a songwriting demo, it can be just right, lickety split. Without getting into a grueling mix/master mindset. It saves time, is the primary attribute. And it sounds good on the right material, but it's not right for everything.
I like it better than most of the other "one stop" mastering plugins I've tried. This is the first and only one that has been useful to me.
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Post by popmann on Oct 9, 2021 12:07:29 GMT -6
I think I used it in everything I have posted on Bandcamp….as well as a recent round of 6 tunes I did for a songwriter friend I put on SoundCloud so he could share them…. I don’t think it lacks needed tweak ability. I think if you want to “fix” you mixes in mastering, sure. It lacks granular ability to do what has BECOME modern mastering for some. I don’t know what you mean you don’t have control over the limiter-it’s the makeup gain. However hard you push that it hits the limiter harder. I think this app is the first time anyone has modeled how mastering actually works. It’s always a chain of “better maker”, super euphonic and yet absolute phase coherent kit—when they pull it up and twist one knob, it’s mostly there. I think that sure it’s not the tool for a mastering engineer to “rescue” off balance mixes. Might not be the tool for making things blistering loud. But, it does a fairly wonderful job of just making it all a little fuller, louder, more “solid”, open….”that, but somehow nicer”. Mixbus32c and Lurssen. I’m too old to try so hard to make DAWs “sound less shit”—I can do it. Have done it. I will take the easy road every time now that it’s there. Link to the run of my friend’s tunes: m.soundcloud.com/langsongs/sets/arts-tunes-2021 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 11, 2021 22:10:13 GMT -6
I think I used it in everything I have posted on Bandcamp….as well as a recent round of 6 tunes I did for a songwriter friend I put on SoundCloud so he could share them…. I don’t think it lacks needed tweak ability. I think if you want to “fix” you mixes in mastering, sure. It lacks granular ability to do what has BECOME modern mastering for some. I don’t know what you mean you don’t have control over the limiter-it’s the makeup gain. However hard you push that it hits the limiter harder. I think this app is the first time anyone has modeled how mastering actually works. It’s always a chain of “better maker”, super euphonic and yet absolute phase coherent kit—when they pull it up and twist one knob, it’s mostly there. I think that sure it’s not the tool for a mastering engineer to “rescue” off balance mixes. Might not be the tool for making things blistering loud. But, it does a fairly wonderful job of just making it all a little fuller, louder, more “solid”, open….”that, but somehow nicer”. Mixbus32c and Lurssen. I’m too old to try so hard to make DAWs “sound less shit”—I can do it. Have done it. I will take the easy road every time now that it’s there. Link to the run of my friend’s tunes: m.soundcloud.com/langsongs/sets/arts-tunes-2021Kind’ve a hot take there. I don’t think wanting control over ratio, or EQ points and Q, or wanting M/S functionality is having to “fix the mix.” |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 22:47:49 GMT -6
Kind’ve a hot take there. I don’t think wanting control over ratio, or EQ points and Q, or wanting M/S functionality is having to “fix the mix.” Maybe I'm not doing it right but mastering setups IME inherently changes the balance of a track anyway. Even just a comp / limiter being tickled, you can either go back and adjust the mix for the mastering stages or just use some mastering tools to balance. Also I've always struggled with width ITB, there's a core aspect of hard coded LCR which never seemed to be an issue when mixing via a console. I've never had much luck with widening plugs but M/S modifications at the mastering stage are just the ticket, UA's Chandler Curve Bender does an excellent job whilst keeping things phase coherent. That being said I think people are just used to ITB / modern mixing styles, so when I pointed out the width of a few classic songs they said it sounded weird anyway. You just can't win  .. |
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Post by popmann on Oct 12, 2021 9:28:44 GMT -6
Nice to know Im still good for the unintentional hot take.  |
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Post by christopher on Oct 12, 2021 10:25:26 GMT -6
I get the impression this plugin is very similar to their mastering setup and they probably don't adjust things often, as that would mess with recall? If they always keep compression/limiter settings the same, going project to project is faster and easier. That's what they say in the video, the presets are the patch to different chains. The presets are important, probably IR's? Also learned to turn on HD mode in settings. And just read that decreasing the de-essing threshold gets your highs back when you push hard. The VCA makeup gain can be lowered way down to get less limiting. I tested that and HD mode, put an EQ after this plugin, boosted highs and lowered the EQ gain so it doesn't clip the master, seemed very nice. Maybe put a limiter like Stealth or Ozone after? I'm still learning.
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Post by theshea on May 15, 2023 5:41:10 GMT -6
demoing LMC right now. i can be more flexible with my own mastering chain but LMC is quick and sounds good - if the mix is good. speed is very important to me as i tend to overthink sound if i have to many options. so this „a few knobs“ concept appeals to me.
it can fatten up a mix pretty well. it brings consistency to a bunch of songs with its lurssen chain, which is welcome.
it could be cheaper, to me price is too high. so not shure if i will buy. as said, i can do more or less the same with my chain but it takes longer …how low a price did the LMC go in the past?
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Post by wiz on May 15, 2023 6:35:27 GMT -6
demoing LMC right now. i can be more flexible with my own mastering chain but LMC is quick and sounds good - if the mix is good. speed is very important to me as i tend to overthink sound if i have to many options. so this „a few knobs“ concept appeals to me. it can fatten up a mix pretty well. it brings consistency to a bunch of songs with its lurssen chain, which is welcome. it could be cheaper, to me price is too high. so not shure if i will buy. as said, i can do more or less the same with my chain but it takes longer …how low a price did the LMC go in the past? If I can give you mine….I will…find out and get back to me. cheers Wiz |
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Post by tkaitkai on May 15, 2023 14:00:23 GMT -6
LMC is quick and sounds good - if the mix is good. Super important point. I’ve had LMC for a long time and it works great if the mix is great. Otherwise, it gets crunchy, pumpy, and overcooked really quick. This is both a blessing and a curse — it can’t fix a subpar mix, but it’s also a great way to check if your mix is in the ballpark or not. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 14:54:00 GMT -6
IK cheapies and freebies are just about getting their software on your computer and daring you to buy more. Like Waves but not as bad.
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Post by theshea on May 18, 2023 2:07:41 GMT -6
demoing LMC right now. i can be more flexible with my own mastering chain but LMC is quick and sounds good - if the mix is good. speed is very important to me as i tend to overthink sound if i have to many options. so this „a few knobs“ concept appeals to me. it can fatten up a mix pretty well. it brings consistency to a bunch of songs with its lurssen chain, which is welcome. it could be cheaper, to me price is too high. so not shure if i will buy. as said, i can do more or less the same with my chain but it takes longer …how low a price did the LMC go in the past? If I can give you mine….I will…find out and get back to me. cheers Wiz you got PM |
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Post by wiz on May 18, 2023 5:19:36 GMT -6
Will chase it up in the morning
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