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Post by spock on Jan 16, 2016 11:47:31 GMT -6
I love my Dorrough 280-C meters, how many of you monitor phase with a meter or scope outside the box? Using your ears is one thing, though meter validation in combo to me is best.
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Post by jazznoise on Jan 16, 2016 12:34:05 GMT -6
I check things with a phase scope from time to time, especially if I get sent a funky stereo recording and I'm trying to even up the image with volume/allpass/delay. But it's not something I'd refer to very often.
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Post by Ward on Jan 16, 2016 12:52:29 GMT -6
How difficult is it to keep everything in phase, without any combing effects, in surround sound versus stereo?
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Post by wiz on Jan 16, 2016 14:44:42 GMT -6
I never use one...
anyone want to explain, how you use them..
cheers
Wiz
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Post by jazznoise on Jan 16, 2016 15:55:40 GMT -6
Uppy-downy means in phase, lefty righty means out of phase.
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Post by EmRR on Jan 16, 2016 17:44:27 GMT -6
Phase meter in spectrafoo, also Wohler monitor panel which has instantaneous and long settling correlation LED's that do an informative dance.
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Post by wiz on Jan 16, 2016 19:01:09 GMT -6
Uppy-downy means in phase, lefty righty means out of phase. yeah... 8) but how do you meaningfully interpolate the display... I have always wondered that... you can listen, flip the phase and slide the audio, move a mic etc, delay... thats one way I do it... but, how when you are using the meter... is it helping you fine tune? cheers Wiz |
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Post by jazznoise on Jan 16, 2016 19:50:33 GMT -6
If I am trying to use it to make specific adjustments, it's always ITB and asuch it's post-processing. Variety of Sound's PreFix is a good enough tool for it as it has a Spectrometer display built in.
When tracking I feel so busy I'd struggle to justify setting up a spectrometer, so I just set up my microphone arrays I'll check in mono before I hit play to see if anything weird is going on. Maybe I'm missing something - but usually I'm far more mundane in my work. I move mics, I dampen the one tom that's decided it wants to be louder than the rest, I suggest moving the bass cab to keep the bleed down, I suggest the bass player double check the tuning and then eye them warily anyway.
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Post by EmRR on Jan 17, 2016 7:28:07 GMT -6
I don't use it for fine tuning. Just for checking in. Sometimes a great room sound is totally out of phase, which may require an acknowledgement that it will fall apart in mono.
It gets used more clinically for things like azimuth adjustment on cassettes, turntable needle alignment, etc.
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Post by spock on Jan 17, 2016 21:29:50 GMT -6
I don't use it for fine tuning. Just for checking in. Sometimes a great room sound is totally out of phase, which may require an acknowledgement that it will fall apart in mono. It gets used more clinically for things like azimuth adjustment on cassettes, turntable needle alignment, etc. Ah... I relied on the scope for azimuth. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 17, 2016 22:22:25 GMT -6
I don't use it for fine tuning. Just for checking in. Sometimes a great room sound is totally out of phase, which may require an acknowledgement that it will fall apart in mono. It gets used more clinically for things like azimuth adjustment on cassettes, turntable needle alignment, etc. Ah... I relied on the scope for azimuth. I find broadcast guys use a phase ether most religiously because of how often their stuff is consumed in mono! |
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Post by jdc on Jan 19, 2016 8:04:47 GMT -6
Eric's got it right, at work we're mostly mixing in 5.1 but have to constantly check our stereo down mix because such a small percentage of people are actually listening in surround. My eyes are spent glued to my loudness and phase meters all day.
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Post by svart on Jan 19, 2016 8:43:25 GMT -6
Do pro AE's care about phase? I've heard tons of professional stuff, especially vintage type stuff that gets all comb-y when played in mono, or on pseudo-stereo systems.
The vast majority of folks listen in stereo these days, so does it even matter anymore?
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Post by spock on Jan 19, 2016 10:46:56 GMT -6
Do pro AE's care about phase? I've heard tons of professional stuff, especially vintage type stuff that gets all comb-y when played in mono, or on pseudo-stereo systems. The vast majority of folks listen in stereo these days, so does it even matter anymore? I still check it on the meters for validation when multi-micing drum kits and other scenarios. Mono aside... I feel like I'm starting from a true baseline from which to make decisions, but this is how I was trained. |
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Post by jazznoise on Jan 19, 2016 20:34:31 GMT -6
Do pro AE's care about phase? I've heard tons of professional stuff, especially vintage type stuff that gets all comb-y when played in mono, or on pseudo-stereo systems. The vast majority of folks listen in stereo these days, so does it even matter anymore? I think it does because the idea of a home stereo setup is basically dead, it's only really heard that way on headphones. Laptop speaks from 3 feet away are essentially a mono source, many people stack stereo speakers next to each other in their home, phones play in mono, clubs play in mono. |
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