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Post by mrholmes on Dec 19, 2015 5:50:19 GMT -6
Dear Friends. GF asks for a special gift for my spare time no business projects. Time is too short to demo....anything. www.waves.com/bundles/tape-tubes-transistorsIf you use it, please give me a rough impression.... thanks. Holmes |
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Post by popmann on Dec 19, 2015 9:46:02 GMT -6
Kramer Tape is a lovely distortion box and slap echo (unfortunately as insert only)....I didn't find any use for the rest of the bundle during the demo. But, the MPX is my goto for slaping on a snare drum and hitting it hard-which is likely more it's tube line amps saturating than the tape itself, since my second through fourth choices for that role are amp sims--NOT tape sims. But, all that distortion I hear on modern "hip" recordings--all sounds like MPX to me. They're overusing it (IMO) but it's an algo that rewards abuse. Obviously, YMMV.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 19, 2015 16:22:26 GMT -6
popmann in other words the tape sim does not sounds loke tape?
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Post by sean on Dec 19, 2015 16:47:59 GMT -6
Kramer Tape really handy, great slap back sound, but I like hitting it gently (like, -18VU) and cycling through the formulations and sometimes it can do magic to the low end harmonics.
I also like the PIE compressor sometimes. Does a cool thing when you smash it (get a bit harsh though) but personally I like the lower ratios and medium slow release time on a lot things.
Helios EQ doesn't suck either. I like the shelf on a dull acoustic guitar if you want to sparkle it up.
I think I paid like $100? for it all on some sort of sale. It's worth that.
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Post by popmann on Dec 19, 2015 17:03:25 GMT -6
popmann in other words the tape sim does not sounds loke tape? It's not that simple. It's a simulation of a specific tape MACHINE. An all tube one from the 60s. Thus the IO outright distort when driven hard. VTM, on the opposite end is a Studer sim, which is the END of tape technology, which is closer to "just the tape", which in turn is VERY subtle compared to old machines that distort the IO. Which is why companies like JCF and Burl are using old tape machine type IO amps for digital conversion chips. The actual tape saturation was a small bit of the equation. And honestly, if you don't know what tape sounds and more importantly behaves like, it's irrelevant. It's not some secret sauce. It was a nice tool. But, like most vintage tools, it's of the most value to engineers who are used to using it and need the familiar toolset. I've used VTM very little since getting the Burls--simply because it's the similar tool, only I can get it in the track during tracking. Which isn't to say they sound exactly the same....they behave the same....they're similar recording tools--in that they drop high frequencies but only in the peaks....until you push the level hot enough and it barks and clips the peak off completely. BobO, I believe worked on MPX for Waves. I'm sure he knows way more....and would've actually used the tool that's modeled. But, anyone modeling a tape machine IS modeling a whole machine. Waves has at least 3 right? Because they're modeling different old machine--not because one sounds more or less "like tape" than the others. |
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 19, 2015 19:25:03 GMT -6
I should have told you that I used a M15A for about 5 years in the end I was too lazy and sold it.
But the mpx is something diffrent...
Why the hurry I demo it just right after christmas and if it gives me a good vibe I am in.
I hope it does saturates in a nice way....
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