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Post by swurveman on Dec 16, 2015 9:43:59 GMT -6
I bought a used Yamaha S90 ES synth, mostly for the piano sound (which is excellent), because I get people who want to record piano and it's easy money. The benefit of the S90 is the keyboard action, which feels like a piano compared to the keyboard controllers I've used.
So then, I thought I'll use it as a synth in Cubase for multi parts in my songwriting demos. Turns out they developed software for the ES for multi part recording, then three years later software for the XS. The ES can't use the XS software and now they're phasing out the ES software. Soon, I expect the XS software won't work.
I think that I'm going to draw a Maginot line between hardware and software. My 15 year old GML 8200 is always going to work in my DAW as a hardware insert until the hardware actually breaks down. Hardware like ROMplers's, Controllers etc. are always going to be given the old "software has changed and your product is now obsolete." Thousands down the drain. I wonder if Yamaha, Avid and everybody else selling hardware is going to survive selling hardware. I won't get burned again buying hardware for software integration's sake. It's too short of a lifespan for the cost. It's not worth it.
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Post by jayfitz on Dec 16, 2015 11:08:54 GMT -6
Software based "hardware" will always need upgrading most likely. Real hardware, like a GML EQ, is a different beast. As you say, it'll work until it breaks down, but even then it can be repaired. Well designed and well built hardware will never really "die". You may get bored with it, but again, if it's designed and built well, with quality components, it should live a loooong life and will probably never be obsolete.
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Post by popmann on Dec 16, 2015 13:08:51 GMT -6
Requires software installed on Turning Machine? Spend accordingly. But, then--you wouldn't change what you did, right? You didn't actually buy the S90ES for some BS computer integration, right? I've owned a Kronos for 4 years now....I plug it into the Mac via USB, because it's class compliant audio and midi--ie, I don't install shit--it just works. But, I'd have bought it if it DIDN'T have that USB integration function. In fact I didn't even TEST that function until I got bored one day with the wife's MacBook.... I've said this before in another context--but, Apogee's moving to NOT selling converters is SIGNIFICANT to me for that reason. Your $7-8k Symphony stops being useful when Apogee and/or Apple decide to quit updating the software required for it's operation. Meanwhile, as far as I know Tedeschi Trucks is still making records with their AD/DA/16x system. Even if they need to ditch the old version of proTools they're running for their TDM hardware, they could have exactly the same sound in a new Windows PC with RME or Lynx AES cards...or an Avid HDNative card. I don't know if that was clear in the discussion had about it--but, anything that requires a computer driver should NOT be key to "your sound" in a project room. Because at BEST, you'll spend tons or time or money or both keeping that alive and functional....and at WORST that key component to "your sound" will be rendered useless when Apple wants a new iConnector for their new phones. I don't think younger people appreciate the benefit of good embedded system design. That S90ES, was a good piano sample....for hardware nearly 13-14 years ago when I was shopping for a controller/DP after 2002 or so....it's still a decent DP. Not great. Not near cutting edge THEN (Gigastudio)--but, it sounds and feels like it did 13 years ago when it was a candidate on my stage pianos to buy list. I don't know when you bought it--but, I bring the age up just for perspective on the long term value of embedded systems design. Maybe you bought it new a few years ago....maybe you bought it used yesterday--all still functions until it physically dies. Which also makes less wealthy musicians able to buy "last year's" embedded systems for less money than they could afford new. That concept is now gone....it's not only what you can afford NEW....but, since all recording systems have become software, it's about what you can afford to buy NEW at retail every time you buy a new computer (hyperbole maybe)....I just gave a CDRW to a friend locally who swung by--hadn't seen him in a while--he's still using his old Akai he bought and paid for now like 14 years ago. Actually commented that he'd use it until it dies or he dies--whichever comes first. Apparently, the CDRW died. but, Akai was forward thinking enough to use generic PC drive hardware. He shouldn't have an issue popping that $15 IDE drive in. Same way you can replace the HD in it for $40-50 any day of the week now. But, I bring it up because he can't afford to even buy a new computer--let alone the whole compliment of IO and software...why I was more than happy to give him my old spare CDRW to keep that beast running for him. He loves that Akai. Has learned how to use it. And has fun making music on it....he's not making money with it, so that's the functional design requirement--you know? If he'd instead bought a....what would that have been? A G4 tower with 2gb of RAM and MOTU PCI interface? Firewire maybe? OS9? While, technically that MIGHT still function "as is"....it's certainly not more portable to the future than the Akai....and wouldn't sounds as good--promise. Been there. That only argument might be that Cubase SX or whatever he'd have bought from that era would be closer to Cubase 8.5 on a new machine than his Akai is compared with ANY new embedded system that might be available now.
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