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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 11, 2015 10:22:57 GMT -6
I was thinking about equipping a few of my console strips with line input transformers, any recommendations for good chewy colored 1:1's.. EmRR jsteigerthanx |
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Post by jsteiger on Dec 11, 2015 10:38:29 GMT -6
I don't really do anything with 1:1 inputs so I don't think I have much to add Tony. Sorry my friend. I'm sure Doug can point you in a good direction.
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Post by EmRR on Dec 11, 2015 12:08:04 GMT -6
1:1's don't tend to have much color unless they are purposefully chosen close to or under the headroom line of the connecting circuitry. Having said that, I could sit anyone down with about 50 varieties of 600:600 transformers and move between them, and you'd pick up subtle differences between them all. After awhile you'd start to classify them into families....and then you'd be 89 years old and it'd be time to stop.....
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 11, 2015 13:16:16 GMT -6
1:1's don't tend to have much color unless they are purposefully chosen close to or under the headroom line of the connecting circuitry. Having said that, I could sit anyone down with about 50 varieties of 600:600 transformers and move between them, and you'd pick up subtle differences between them all. After awhile you'd start to classify them into families....and then you'd be 89 years old and it'd be time to stop..... can I lean on your experience and ask you for a personal recommendation? here's the specs of what exists now, thanx man...  |
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Post by mdmitch2 on Dec 11, 2015 13:20:53 GMT -6
I was thinking about equipping a few of my console strips with line input transformers, any recommendations for good chewy colored 1:1's.. EmRR jsteiger thanx might be worth looking at these for 1:1.... the '4L' version may meet EmRR's qualification of being "purposefully chosen close to or under the headroom line of the connecting circuitry." Roger Foote said it was quite colored (in a pleasing way) in his 502 pico compressor output.... $22 from cinemag. cinemag.biz/output/PDF/CMOB-4.pdf --> more colored cinemag.biz/output/PDF/CMOB-3.pdf --> less colored |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 11, 2015 13:29:10 GMT -6
10K:10K input transformer. Can use a 600:600 too, though could need some load resistance added to tame resonant treble bump. Could use a 15K:15K too, since 10K load of input will force good response out of a 15K. Are you really ever seeing that max level? What's max out of what usually feeds it? Consider +27 on a transformer is going to be at lowest frequency of interest, so a transformer distortion spec with a 20Hz response, means it'll take +33 at 40Hz, +39 at 80Hz, etc. So consider that saturation relative to frequency component backwards and forwards.
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 11, 2015 13:41:30 GMT -6
I was thinking about equipping a few of my console strips with line input transformers, any recommendations for good chewy colored 1:1's.. EmRR jsteiger thanx might be worth looking at these for 1:1.... the '4L' version may meet EmRR's qualification of being "purposefully chosen close to or under the headroom line of the connecting circuitry." Roger Foote said it was quite colored (in a pleasing way) in his 502 pico compressor output.... $22 from cinemag. cinemag.biz/output/PDF/CMOB-4.pdf --> more colored cinemag.biz/output/PDF/CMOB-3.pdf --> less colored thanx man, i believe those are output trannys though... |
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 11, 2015 13:43:14 GMT -6
10K:10K input transformer. Can use a 600:600 too, though could need some load resistance added to tame resonant treble bump. Could use a 15K:15K too, since 10K load of input will force good response out of a 15K. Are you really ever seeing that max level? What's max out of what usually feeds it? Consider +27 on a transformer is going to be at lowest frequency of interest, so a transformer distortion spec with a 20Hz response, means it'll take +33 at 40Hz, +39 at 80Hz, etc. So consider that saturation relative to frequency component backwards and forwards. cool man, thanx, i have a pair of these Carnhills laying around, they look like prime candidates, do you have any experience with them?  |
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Post by mdmitch2 on Dec 11, 2015 13:46:34 GMT -6
thanx man, i believe those are output trannys though... yeah they are -- brain fart  |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 11, 2015 15:15:42 GMT -6
Those sound good, definitely colored in the UTC vein, no level specs that I see, and they are either loss or boost. Try them.
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Post by drbill on Dec 11, 2015 15:37:53 GMT -6
I was thinking about equipping a few of my console strips with line input transformers, any recommendations Silver Bullet on the inserts of a couple of your input modules......  Best of all (OK, maybe just "most") worlds. Plus, you can drop it onto your mix bus while mixing if preferred....
Brad will hook you up if you finish his mic..... heh heh |
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 11, 2015 16:15:25 GMT -6
I was thinking about equipping a few of my console strips with line input transformers, any recommendations Silver Bullet on the inserts of a couple of your input modules...... Best of all (OK, maybe just "most") worlds. Plus, you can drop it onto your mix bus while mixing if preferred....
Brad will hook you up if you finish his mic..... heh hehYou mean "when", I know, it's pathetic, I'll make it up to him.... |
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Post by jeromemason on Dec 11, 2015 19:54:25 GMT -6
Edcors would be my choice. Inexpensive and have a really nice sounding saturation.
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Post by EmRR on Dec 12, 2015 9:53:42 GMT -6
Edcor are hard to overdrive for sure, though all steel gives more funk. I like a nickel content transformer more myself.
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Post by jimwilliams on Dec 12, 2015 10:51:57 GMT -6
Mount them in a box with XLR's and TRS jacks. Then you can patch them in when you want and when you don't.
Mounting crappo transformers permanently into a modified Delta input sort of defeats the reason to use the Delta.
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 12, 2015 11:02:48 GMT -6
Mount them in a box with XLR's and TRS jacks. Then you can patch them in when you want and when you don't. Mounting crappo transformers permanently into a modified Delta input sort of defeats the reason to use the Delta. haha, Jim in the house! of course man, they would certainly be on switches, also i have 48 channels to choose from, so it's all about choices, some times "crappo" is just the contrast the doctor ordered 8) btw, i have a pile of stuff i need to drop off to you, i'm desperately trying to get some things finished, and some bills paid off 1st though... |
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