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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 10:18:48 GMT -6
Blending with this plug always seems out of phase.
The samples are hyped even by my standards (see sig) and NEVER sound right.
Honestly, when I'm looking to replace, I'm better off with a sample from the actual recorded kit pasted at each hitpoint.
Can any of you guys speak to your experiences with this plug? I hate it and have zero use for it. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 9, 2013 14:53:32 GMT -6
I always used Trigger like this - prefader send to an AUX...Then one day I accidentally created an audio channel. Just decided to roll with it...I recorded the audio of the original snare on that second track and then put trigger on it. It was like night and day. Totally usable. Obviously, the AUX method wasn't the correct way to use it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 15:29:05 GMT -6
I have a Macro in Cubase that allows me to correctly paste samples. Takes me a second to have accurate samples pasted at each note and Cubases hitpoint detection is absolutely incredible. I wish I could find a good use for Trigger.
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Post by timmyboy on Oct 12, 2013 20:44:47 GMT -6
I have never used Trigger - however - I purchased the Steve Slate samples before he had made the trigger plugin.
I totally agree , aside from a few of the Tom samples, none of them work well for me.
I use Drumagog by the way (well, used to - I stopped when I moved up to 64-bit and the plugin didn't ).
I get much better results using samples cut from my own recordings. I also like my samples to be raw, so that I can process them how I want to (slate samples seem to be the opposite). I cut and save snare samples from 4 different mic positions, and usually save about 40 individual hits, I can put it all together in Drumagog to balance the Mics, and randomize the hits depending on velocity.
As processed as they are - the slate samples just don't seem to sit well in any mix I've ever done, and don't sound real. I don't think its a problem with my ability - because my samples always work
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Post by timmyboy on Oct 12, 2013 20:47:39 GMT -6
I have a Macro in Cubase that allows me to correctly paste samples. Takes me a second to have accurate samples pasted at each note and Cubases hitpoint detection is absolutely incredible. I wish I could find a good use for Trigger. This would only work if you use the same sample for every hit, right? Does it work for rock (or any music where you want it to sound like a real drummer on a kit)? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 11:21:26 GMT -6
Yeah this works, I usually use a single velocity sample and then drag all the ghost notes on to the same track with the single velocity samples. I could use also vary the hits as well but single velocity works. See "Warm Summer Sweater" by Boys Club on my soundcloud (see sig) there's a big section there where it's mostly snare work with a lot of ghost notes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 11:22:41 GMT -6
I have never used Trigger - however - I purchased the Steve Slate samples before he had made the trigger plugin. I totally agree , aside from a few of the Tom samples, none of them work well for me. I use Drumagog by the way (well, used to - I stopped when I moved up to 64-bit and the plugin didn't ). I get much better results using samples cut from my own recordings. I also like my samples to be raw, so that I can process them how I want to (slate samples seem to be the opposite). I cut and save snare samples from 4 different mic positions, and usually save about 40 individual hits, I can put it all together in Drumagog to balance the Mics, and randomize the hits depending on velocity. As processed as they are - the slate samples just don't seem to sit well in any mix I've ever done, and don't sound real. I don't think its a problem with my ability - because my samples always work I'm going to guess by the SCJ drum you're doing a lot of modern punky stuff as well right? That company seems to be a go to for the genre. |
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Post by timmyboy on Oct 13, 2013 17:34:14 GMT -6
It's just the nicer looking snare out of the ones I have. I don't think any brand of drums is better for a particular style. But yes - players in different genres gravitate toward different brands that are endorsed by their idols.
My kit is a DW collectors series, and the snare I use mostly for tracking is a DW edge series 12 x 7. The first snare I ever bought, and still the best I've ever used
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 13, 2013 17:47:39 GMT -6
It's just the nicer looking snare out of the ones I have. I don't think any brand of drums is better for a particular style. But yes - players in different genres gravitate toward different brands that are endorsed by their idols. My kit is a DW collectors series, and the snare I use mostly for tracking is a DW edge series 12 x 7. The first snare I ever bought, and still the best I've ever used SJC is right up the road from me. I've never played a kit of theirs, but a saw a used set at GC with a 26" DEEP kick drum. Seemed really cool. I use the DW Collectors kit too. Really great drums. Normally when I'm triggering samples on a song, I'm using samples that I've made with my drums and blending with the original track. |
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Post by popmann on Oct 13, 2013 18:22:14 GMT -6
Cubase and Logic (the two DAWs I use) have built in drum replacement facility via audio to midi hit point conversion. Seems like Logic's annoyed me because it was extra steps if you wanted to augment vs replace--and I can't stand drum replacement. But, anyway-it can create a single velocity of variable based on the volume of the detected hit. Afterwards, you can use a midi insert (in cubase) to manipulate the velocity (on top of obviously manual editing).
Maybe it's not good enough for replacement, but neither is DrumaGog, IME. Cubase's built in works significantly better. How does this relate to trigger? No idea. Never used it. Never been a fan of his drum samples and if memory serves, it was designed to use its built in sounds, right?
I should also point out that I'm intentionally only augmenting (regularly) with room mic samples--because that doesn't mess with the groove if it's a little off--often subduing the transient further, so I'm sure my use doesn't require the same level of accuracy as replacement. So, maybe ignore--but versus pasting a single velocity sample at the hit point...the built in function is based on that same hit point, but offers way more after manipulation and tuning.
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Post by timmyboy on Oct 14, 2013 2:03:15 GMT -6
It's just the nicer looking snare out of the ones I have. I don't think any brand of drums is better for a particular style. But yes - players in different genres gravitate toward different brands that are endorsed by their idols. My kit is a DW collectors series, and the snare I use mostly for tracking is a DW edge series 12 x 7. The first snare I ever bought, and still the best I've ever used SJC is right up the road from me. I've never played a kit of theirs, but a saw a used set at GC with a 26" DEEP kick drum. Seemed really cool. I use the DW Collectors kit too. Really great drums. Normally when I'm triggering samples on a song, I'm using samples that I've made with my drums and blending with the original track. I liked the idea of a custom drum company that let's you choose every little detail of the design of the drum kit. What I did begin to notice is that most custom drum companies (SJC, OCDP etc) buy their shells pre-made from Keller. They also buy all the hardware etc from the same manufacturers. So the quality of the drums doesn't vary much at all. The only way I see it varying is when they make mistakes - my SJC snare isn't actually cut very well on the bearing edges at the bottom. Was actually thinking about buying some shells from Keller and constructing a studio kit that consists of many different sizes of drums |
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Post by masteroftracks on Oct 14, 2013 8:14:18 GMT -6
Has anyone downloaded and tried TRIGGER 2 that came out over the weekend?
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Post by timmyboy on Oct 14, 2013 15:17:59 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 28, 2013 21:46:05 GMT -6
I still need to download...apparently, it's free if you already own Trigger.
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Post by henge on Oct 29, 2013 6:27:36 GMT -6
Jordanvoth could you try trigger 2 please?
I tried it quickly and it seems to be fine. I'd be interested in your opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 11:44:36 GMT -6
I attempted to install it and it didn't work out for me, the old version still came up, if anyone has UBK -1 I'd gladly trade.
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Post by ragan on Nov 9, 2013 22:34:06 GMT -6
I've never had phase issues with Trigger, but I do hate the sounds. They're ridiculously bright and snappy and don't sound like any drums I want to hear. I find the engine itself very useful though. I just use it to 'trigger' the samples I've made myself.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 16, 2013 9:33:36 GMT -6
Excellent video...
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