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Post by scumbum on Nov 16, 2015 15:45:01 GMT -6
Where do unsigned bands post their music to get heard online ? It seems like theres a lot of sites like Reverbnation , filled with bands , but the only people that go to those sites are other bands . Its like a bunch of promoters talking to other promoters , like listen to my band and I'll listen to yours......
But the general listening public don't visit those sites . It seems like they all go to youtube to listen to music . But I've posted music to youtube and have gotten like 6 views in 2 years , haha . So posting to youtube you'll get lost in the sea of millions of other videos .
So what do unsigned bands do these days ?
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Post by jazznoise on Nov 16, 2015 16:03:17 GMT -6
You have to whore it, sadly. It's why I put mine in my signature, and I started a thread. Post it in communities, tweet it. Send it to friends, ask to share. I've gotten 300 plays in the last 2 days, which is great. It'll settle down and probably go back to being a few every week. We're not gigging at the moment, so that's fine. When I am playing shows I would expect the numbers to go up.
So yeah, do what bands have always historically done and really annoy your friends and family. Support your fellow bands, ask them to support you. Circlejerk your way to the...err, middle.
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Post by popmann on Nov 16, 2015 18:41:37 GMT -6
Answer? They don't.
Neither do "signed" artists.
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Post by scumbum on Nov 16, 2015 18:47:09 GMT -6
You have to whore it, sadly. It's why I put mine in my signature, and I started a thread. Post it in communities, tweet it. Send it to friends, ask to share. I've gotten 300 plays in the last 2 days, which is great. It'll settle down and probably go back to being a few every week. We're not gigging at the moment, so that's fine. When I am playing shows I would expect the numbers to go up. So yeah, do what bands have always historically done and really annoy your friends and family. Support your fellow bands, ask them to support you. Circlejerk your way to the...err, middle. Ha.....middle of nowhere... What about online radio stations ? Pandora you need a UPC code and a CD for sale at amazon . But that seems like a good route to maybe go . |
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Post by scumbum on Nov 16, 2015 18:54:30 GMT -6
Answer? They don't. Neither do "signed" artists. Care to explain , Mr . Long Winded Something or other , Do you mean "nobody is gonna listen or really care about your music just like 99% of the bands that post on the internet , so get used to it"..... |
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Post by jazznoise on Nov 16, 2015 18:58:12 GMT -6
Answer? They don't. Neither do "signed" artists. Having had a few clients on the bottom end of the record label/distribution world I think it's even harder because they're under the illusion that someone else is pushing it for them. But they usually still retail social media control and have to push that in a way that suits them, but there's also constant pressure to sit the way the labels want them (since they're usually destined for compilation CD's or budget TV soundtracks). Also the kind of music they want to make is now more or less fixed in place, and also they've probably been given no money to do it. Usually the client actually wants to be going for radio and concerts. So there's a massive dissonance of intent there. At least unsigned you do whatever you want and nobody cares or disagrees. I think signing to the Big 3 is about the dumbest, most naive thing a band could do right now. You'll make just as little money on a small record label, but nobody will be telling you how to write your songs or cut your hair. |
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Post by popmann on Nov 16, 2015 21:28:08 GMT -6
Answer? They don't. Neither do "signed" artists. Care to explain , Mr . Long Winded Something or other , Do you mean "nobody is gonna listen or really care about your music just like 99% of the bands that post on the internet , so get used to it"..... Basically, yes. Except I wouldn't be so cynical to say "get used to it"--because no one wants a solution more than I do. Not for me and my narcissistic art projects--but, as a listener, I've simply given up. There's no filter. No outlet. Little QC anywhere. I recently queried my iTunes for new discoveries in the last 10 f'n years. I don't mean new albums--TONS of those, I mean new artists--dropped off like a rock after the mid 00s. And yet, how many have I bought? How many have I streamed--I'm still looking full time like it's my calling....and coming up empty. The average music listener couldn't' be bothered to spend 1/300th of the time I have spent in my life searching out new music. In fact, nearly everyone in my close circles rely on ME to find them new music...and unforutnately, now I've given up. In fact part of THAT--is how much work it is to simply filter when artists I already LIKE have new recordings out. See social media BS where I'm told every time they take a dump or eat a chesseburger, as if I care, so I put them on ignore and then am surprised when I find they had a record out for a week before I knew....when I used to line up at Tower at midnight on Monday night.... Pandora's engine (meaning the paradigm) is the best answer I've heard yet--but, they don't include indies....and an indie site putting up the same type of objective attribute mapped database will lack the names that everyone will be searching for--you need BOTH....or you lose ALL pull as an "internet radio station"--and become JUST a new music finder. I actually tried to talk one site own into trying to implement it--and ran into the other issue with that tech--he is one of those "there are only two kinds of music--good and bad" guys....objective attributes offended his artistic ideals. So, I gave up. His site is maybe the worst collection of unfiltered indie garbage I've seen since mp3.com. But, I'd point out the historical fact that it's 99.9% of ALL music recordings made--not (just) indie stuff posted on the internet. 99% of major label records didn't recoup in history. And that's the prefiltered, signed music....the people willing to play the game. So, it's not really a new thing. Look when the most music broke--radio in the 50-70s....when, for all intents and purposes, rock and roll was changing music....and the mtv era of the 80s through mid 90s....musicians weren't better then. Labels were actually much WORSE (ineffective) at picking who would sell--but, they had the public's attention on a consolidated media outlet they could mostly program for....what's the music portal that most people hear/see on a daily basis now? Without that, there will be no significant new breaks. era of recorded music 1955-2012. RIP. |
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Post by scumbum on Nov 16, 2015 22:10:44 GMT -6
Care to explain , Mr . Long Winded Something or other , Do you mean "nobody is gonna listen or really care about your music just like 99% of the bands that post on the internet , so get used to it"..... Basically, yes. Except I wouldn't be so cynical to say "get used to it"--because no one wants a solution more than I do. Not for me and my narcissistic art projects--but, as a listener, I've simply given up. There's no filter. No outlet. Little QC anywhere. I recently queried my iTunes for new discoveries in the last 10 f'n years. I don't mean new albums--TONS of those, I mean new artists--dropped off like a rock after the mid 00s. And yet, how many have I bought? How many have I streamed--I'm still looking full time like it's my calling....and coming up empty. The average music listener couldn't' be bothered to spend 1/300th of the time I have spent in my life searching out new music. In fact, nearly everyone in my close circles rely on ME to find them new music...and unforutnately, now I've given up. In fact part of THAT--is how much work it is to simply filter when artists I already LIKE have new recordings out. See social media BS where I'm told every time they take a dump or eat a chesseburger, as if I care, so I put them on ignore and then am surprised when I find they had a record out for a week before I knew....when I used to line up at Tower at midnight on Monday night.... Pandora's engine (meaning the paradigm) is the best answer I've heard yet--but, they don't include indies....and an indie site putting up the same type of objective attribute mapped database will lack the names that everyone will be searching for--you need BOTH....or you lose ALL pull as an "internet radio station"--and become JUST a new music finder. I actually tried to talk one site own into trying to implement it--and ran into the other issue with that tech--he is one of those "there are only two kinds of music--good and bad" guys....objective attributes offended his artistic ideals. So, I gave up. His site is maybe the worst collection of unfiltered indie garbage I've seen since mp3.com. But, I'd point out the historical fact that it's 99.9% of ALL music recordings made--not (just) indie stuff posted on the internet. 99% of major label records didn't recoup in history. And that's the prefiltered, signed music....the people willing to play the game. So, it's not really a new thing. Look when the most music broke--radio in the 50-70s....when, for all intents and purposes, rock and roll was changing music....and the mtv era of the 80s through mid 90s....musicians weren't better then. Labels were actually much WORSE (ineffective) at picking who would sell--but, they had the public's attention on a consolidated media outlet they could mostly program for....what's the music portal that most people hear/see on a daily basis now? Without that, there will be no significant new breaks. era of recorded music 1955-2012. RIP. Amazing post ! Wheres my crowd clapping Gif ! You've pretty much summed up 100% of what I feel and think . When I posted this thread I was hoping it wasn't true , that there was something out there I've been missing , that things aren't really this way . But you've come to the same conclusion as I did . 2005 seems to be about the cut off year and thats guess what ? The year youtube came out , the year all of Tower Records music collection was then available to listen to on your computer for free ! You never need to buy Music ever again . The other point about searching for music online . I've done it too and theres no way the average person is gonna do that to find new music . I didn't find anything and gave up awhile back too . Its pretty much pointless to post music online as an unsigned band and expect anything in return . Playing Live is I think all thats left for bands today . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 1:54:10 GMT -6
I could write a book on this but before I post ten pages of stuff what is it you want people to hear?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 2:02:17 GMT -6
To alleviate the dickbag nature of the last post,
PRESS. Press leads to more press leads to more press. I ran a two month campaign for my last album, we sold 300 copies in those two months from all over the place and by the time the campaign was done reviews were pouring in from places I hadn't even sent press releases to. If you're a good sounding act, hire a good designer to brand everything (all social media that includes Instagram, twitter, tumblr and Facebook), make sure you have good press shots and make sure the album is actually available everywhere. It kills me when bands just put something up for free on Bandcamp, we did that for our first release but also distributed it online via CDbaby so that people on streaming services could hear it in their desired format. Also, if you're going to just give it away on Bandcamp make sure you require an email. Make sure your music is on youtube as well. Make sure you have merchandise and that you can buy it from an online store (and definitely make sure you ship your stuff out).
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Post by svart on Nov 17, 2015 10:05:09 GMT -6
They put their stuff on facebook and then endlessly spam it to their friend list for about a week.
Once that week is done, they whine to those same friends about the industry killing independent bands, corporate music, yadda yadda yadda, they have what it takes to take the world on by storm but someone somewhere is oppressing them.. Somehow.
Rinse, repeat.
I literally hear this all the time. All. The. Time.
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Post by scumbum on Nov 17, 2015 10:39:38 GMT -6
To alleviate the dickbag nature of the last post, PRESS. Press leads to more press leads to more press. I ran a two month campaign for my last album, we sold 300 copies in those two months from all over the place and by the time the campaign was done reviews were pouring in from places I hadn't even sent press releases to. If you're a good sounding act, hire a good designer to brand everything (all social media that includes Instagram, twitter, tumblr and Facebook), make sure you have good press shots and make sure the album is actually available everywhere. It kills me when bands just put something up for free on Bandcamp, we did that for our first release but also distributed it online via CDbaby so that people on streaming services could hear it in their desired format. Also, if you're going to just give it away on Bandcamp make sure you require an email. Make sure your music is on youtube as well. Make sure you have merchandise and that you can buy it from an online store (and definitely make sure you ship your stuff out). Thats cool you sold 300 copies . Thats better than most bands and their CD's . But at the end of the day did all that work on the internet really take your band and music anywhere ? You had to pay for that Press though , right ? Is Bandcamp like Reverbnation where the only people on there is other bands ? |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 17, 2015 11:03:17 GMT -6
To alleviate the dickbag nature of the last post, PRESS. Press leads to more press leads to more press. I ran a two month campaign for my last album, we sold 300 copies in those two months from all over the place and by the time the campaign was done reviews were pouring in from places I hadn't even sent press releases to. If you're a good sounding act, hire a good designer to brand everything (all social media that includes Instagram, twitter, tumblr and Facebook), make sure you have good press shots and make sure the album is actually available everywhere. It kills me when bands just put something up for free on Bandcamp, we did that for our first release but also distributed it online via CDbaby so that people on streaming services could hear it in their desired format. Also, if you're going to just give it away on Bandcamp make sure you require an email. Make sure your music is on youtube as well. Make sure you have merchandise and that you can buy it from an online store (and definitely make sure you ship your stuff out). Strong post. Having all your ducks in a row is the way to go. I know a band that had been playing around town for a couple years then formed a "new" band (I think they eliminated a female singer). Basically, they had played all around town, had a bunch of fans, bunch of contacts, etc. Then they got all their branding together, fresh new merch, recorded a new album, and released it under the new name. Big CD release show, hot new act in town in the press, etc, when in actuality they were basically the same old band with new material. Because they came out so prepared and got a bunch of recognition, then ended up doing a few tours with some mid level names and stuff. Pretty smart play on their part. |
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Post by tasteliketape on Nov 17, 2015 11:07:58 GMT -6
Just a thought but how bout a section here on this site to post or link your band or song. Won't get you a million hits but there are sure some major talent here like to hear what everbody doing. I guess what are you working on type thing but finished
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 17, 2015 11:08:46 GMT -6
Just a thought but how bout a section here on this site to post or link your band or song. Won't get you a million hits but there are sure some major talent here like to hear what everbody doing That's the "What You're Working On" section. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 11:15:19 GMT -6
To alleviate the dickbag nature of the last post, PRESS. Press leads to more press leads to more press. I ran a two month campaign for my last album, we sold 300 copies in those two months from all over the place and by the time the campaign was done reviews were pouring in from places I hadn't even sent press releases to. If you're a good sounding act, hire a good designer to brand everything (all social media that includes Instagram, twitter, tumblr and Facebook), make sure you have good press shots and make sure the album is actually available everywhere. It kills me when bands just put something up for free on Bandcamp, we did that for our first release but also distributed it online via CDbaby so that people on streaming services could hear it in their desired format. Also, if you're going to just give it away on Bandcamp make sure you require an email. Make sure your music is on youtube as well. Make sure you have merchandise and that you can buy it from an online store (and definitely make sure you ship your stuff out). Thats cool you sold 300 copies . Thats better than most bands and their CD's . But at the end of the day did all that work on the internet really take your band and music anywhere ? You had to pay for that Press though , right ? Is Bandcamp like Reverbnation where the only people on there is other bands ? Didn't pay a dime for the press we received, we were selected to play CMW (Canada's SXSW) this spring, we had some potential tour offers with much larger American bands and we generated a bunch of label interest from several Canadian and American labels. This was all done in a year. We broke up because the next step for us was to sell our things and live in a van and nobody wanted it that bad |
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Post by tasteliketape on Nov 17, 2015 12:27:35 GMT -6
What are you working on type thing but finished[/quote]
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somthing to point to past and present work's
artist or band website etc
or even a place in there profile to link
there are artist on here by there profile name I'd never find there band or work
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Post by yotonic on Nov 17, 2015 20:06:53 GMT -6
Yeah a lot, if not most touring bands really are living on a bus. I don't know how they do it. Some have their wives and kids on there. I don't know how they all fit in there. You really, really have to love what you do. Or at the very least, not do it for too long.
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Post by swurveman on Nov 18, 2015 9:58:42 GMT -6
Here's my $.02
If I were young and in a band, I would go to where I could find the biggest audience in the smallest footprint as possible, which means in the US Los Angles, New York or Chicago. Then, I would only use the internet for marketing my live shows, my CD's and paraphernalia. My goal would be to build as large an audience as possible in the city I chose. I wouldn't give anything away for free. I would be playing live constantly and sell CD's and paraphernalia at shows and at my website. I would never post anything free at any music website like Reverbnation. Then, when I had built a large audience in the city I chose, and sold a lot of CD's (thousands...) and paraphernalia, I'd contact a label and see if it made financial sense to join with them and try to go nationwide.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 18, 2015 10:07:32 GMT -6
Here's my $.02 If I were young and in a band, I would go to where I could find the biggest audience in the smallest footprint as possible, which means in the US Los Angles, New York or Chicago. Then, I would only use the internet for marketing my live shows, my CD's and paraphernalia. My goal would be to build as large an audience as possible in the city I chose. I wouldn't give anything away for free. I would be playing live constantly and sell CD's and paraphernalia at shows and at my website. I would never post anything free at any music website like Reverbnation. Then, when I had built a large audience in the city I chose, and sold a lot of CD's (thousands...) and paraphernalia, I'd contact a label and see if it made financial sense to join with them and try to go nationwide. Good luck getting people to come see you play if they can't hear your music first online. |
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Post by swurveman on Nov 18, 2015 10:13:08 GMT -6
Here's my $.02 If I were young and in a band, I would go to where I could find the biggest audience in the smallest footprint as possible, which means in the US Los Angles, New York or Chicago. Then, I would only use the internet for marketing my live shows, my CD's and paraphernalia. My goal would be to build as large an audience as possible in the city I chose. I wouldn't give anything away for free. I would be playing live constantly and sell CD's and paraphernalia at shows and at my website. I would never post anything free at any music website like Reverbnation. Then, when I had built a large audience in the city I chose, and sold a lot of CD's (thousands...) and paraphernalia, I'd contact a label and see if it made financial sense to join with them and try to go nationwide. Good luck getting people to come see you play if they can't hear your music first online. Then rent a hall and give a free show. Invite every bit of press you can. Have your CD ready. Build a citywide buzz. Word of mouth and mystery are seriously underrated in this overexposed world imo. |
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