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Post by mobeach on Nov 14, 2015 8:07:44 GMT -6
I'm interested picking up a warm sounding Dynamic Mic. What are some good choices if you're going for that retro 60's sound?
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Post by mobeach on Nov 14, 2015 13:13:02 GMT -6
The classics, SM7 or RE20. Thanks, I've heard the SM-7 but not the RE-20
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Post by chasmanian on Nov 14, 2015 18:30:48 GMT -6
I think this is one. (I've never used one.)
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Post by yotonic on Nov 14, 2015 20:12:38 GMT -6
SM7 with Universal Audio 610
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Post by popmann on Nov 14, 2015 20:34:49 GMT -6
So, as someone who has a lot of experience with both....they're very different sounding mics. The Shure has what has become the "typical" upper mid bump of a "vocal mic"--I like to say it's the mic some people always wished the 57/58 was--like that only 50 times "better" in every imaginable way. But, still--same family of sound. The Re20 has an upper midrange DIP--so, in a way, it's the opposite mic, when it comes to vocals--it's going to smooth what might be jagged and ugly about a voice at close range.
Both will be fine to do the old school vocal sound, but you need to COMMIT....ie, you need to understand that you're also going ot need to AGRESSIVELY filter the top and bottom. You're going to need to distort the peaks. You might find a tape sim that will do both, but I'd probably count on filtering into the tape so the tape saturation can NOT be filtered after the fact.
Plates and the only reverbs allowed....and LONG ones. Tape delay, but only as a slap. And for goodness sake--nothing is tuned.
There's no "mic" alone that delivers old vocals sounds....and frankly, I'm not sure why you would WANT one, depending on how far you go back. But, 120hz/14khz filters will go far. It didn't much matter what the mic was then---because between mushy Neves and tape generations and 50/15k filters and vinyl deEssing if anything actually got through....all you need is a mic whose midrange doesnt' suck. Which means, no CHinese LDCs. A 58 will do fine. An Sm7, even better. The Re20 is more for a very specific kind of voice and is IME/O much less universal.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 15, 2015 7:42:16 GMT -6
I'm interested picking up a warm sounding Dynamic Mic. What are some good choices if you're going for that retro 60's sound? Is not 1960s tube driven mics? Warm sound: I love to use the old beyerdynamic M300N from the 80s because it drops out at 15 khz. I use the Tritone FET head to give it more output power. Also very usable with Amps.
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Post by pope on Nov 15, 2015 11:23:59 GMT -6
MD441?
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Post by Ward on Nov 15, 2015 11:35:34 GMT -6
I'm interested picking up a warm sounding Dynamic Mic. What are some good choices if you're going for that retro 60's sound? The hands down winner of "Warm Dynamic Mic" is the AKG D12. The D12E in particular. Yes, the 'Voice-Over/KickDrum' microphones sound pretty warm too but they do not have the 60s vibe you are asking for. So, the RE20, MD441, MD421, SM7, and similar microphones do not win here. Find a glorious old D12 and buy it and keep it forever.
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Post by jeromemason on Nov 15, 2015 14:02:08 GMT -6
Those Heil mics are supposed to be pretty darn good.
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Post by rickcarson on Nov 15, 2015 18:05:57 GMT -6
Dude AKG d190's are the fucking shit.I will go to my deathbed with this mic.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 15, 2015 18:08:20 GMT -6
Dude AKG d190's are the fucking shit.I will go to my deathbed with this mic. I saw your post on FB about these. What do you use them on?
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Post by rickcarson on Nov 15, 2015 18:14:23 GMT -6
I have been loving them on toms. I have d19's that I bought because of beatles fame but I found these 190 on CL locally. So I started using them on toms and Loved it. Then I heard that flood and alan moulder will use them as a mono room mic tried that and loved it. Then I heard Jim Croce used these for the riffy electric sounding acoustic gtrs in his recordings. Well dont you know know it rules there. I then heard that the tame impala dude used it as his Main mono over heard mic. It rules there as well. Today I want told to try it on Banjo and Fiddle. I havent yet but I bet it rules. The D19 rules on piano so I bet this does as well. One of the best mics I have ever heard for real and I have over 100 different mics myself.
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Post by tasteliketape on Nov 15, 2015 19:55:01 GMT -6
Rick what model are u using Akg D190C or ES or E I
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Post by Guitar on Nov 15, 2015 21:10:34 GMT -6
I was also going to suggest the MD441, M88TG (which hasn't been mentioned yet), EV 635a, and perhaps the SM7B. Depending on what sources you're recording, what are you recording?
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Post by jazznoise on Nov 16, 2015 14:42:35 GMT -6
The EV635a would be more "thin" than "warm" depending on the register of the singer. It doesn't have a lot of bass, the Variable D can make it sound like a darker RE-20 to me. Never used the SM7, but the RE20 is a very straight-forward mic. It's not flattering, which can be great for mixing but can be disconcerting for singers.
If you want a warm vocal, I'd go all out and suggest getting a ribbon.
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Post by Ward on Nov 16, 2015 15:23:43 GMT -6
The EV635a would be more "thin" than "warm" depending on the register of the singer. It doesn't have a lot of bass, the Variable D can make it sound like a darker RE-20 to me. Never used the SM7, but the RE20 is a very straight-forward mic. It's not flattering, which can be great for mixing but can be disconcerting for singers. If you want a warm vocal, I'd go all out and suggest getting a ribbon. The beautiful 635a, also useful as a tack hammer, has the incredible ability to turn even the warmest sounding source into a transistor radio type sound. EDIT: ...OR , pre-1980 telephone receiver type sound.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 16, 2015 15:30:53 GMT -6
Mobeach, what are you planning to use a warm dynamic mic for? A warm "retro" sound is easily achievable with a Cascade Vin-Jet with the Lundahl transformer, and will only cost you $350. My buddy's done 8 or 9 demo tracks with it at home, and now that he's doing an album, he's keeping the Vin-Jet tracks, they're that good. His has the AMI transformer.
I've used the SM57 and 58 since forever, and had an RE-20 that I used for a decade. If by 'warm" you mean dull, then by all means, get the RE-20 ;-). Now, I've never used an SM7, so all I can say is based on what I've heard. When I think of Michael Jackson's recordings with it, I think flat and thin. I know Keith Richard used it on some of his new album, so it's a pro mic for sure, but I never found that flat, thin sound attractive. To me, it's kinda like a deadened AKG 414, with nothing like the immediacy and liveliness a good 414 has.
I did my album "Watching the Days Fall" with a U87, but it was out of service one day when I arrived for a session, so the next best thing laying around was an RE-20. I did two tracks with it, and when you hear those tracks on my album, it's much duller and lifeless. Long story short, I couldn't redo the vocal tracks, so I kept the RE-20 tracks, and cringe any time I hear them. So if it's for vocals, I'd take the 57 or 58 any day when compared to the RE-20.
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Post by jazznoise on Nov 16, 2015 15:39:45 GMT -6
The beautiful 635a, also useful as a tack hammer, has the incredible ability to turn even the warmest sounding source into a transistor radio type sound. EDIT: ...OR , pre-1980 telephone receiver type sound. I like mine, for acoustic guitar or alto/tenor sex or trumpet, even bottom snare duties. Omni dynamics just do stuff other mics can't. But they also don't do much bass. Female vocalists singing high will fair reasonably well. Most male singers it totally rips the balls off. Can be used for quick and dirty backing vocals. Think my backing vocals on the B side of the new single are me on a 635a mixed some others I did on the Sontronics Saturn they had in the studio.
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Post by tyford on Nov 16, 2015 16:46:12 GMT -6
The EV635a would be more "thin" than "warm" depending on the register of the singer. It doesn't have a lot of bass, the Variable D can make it sound like a darker RE-20 to me. Never used the SM7, but the RE20 is a very straight-forward mic. It's not flattering, which can be great for mixing but can be disconcerting for singers. If you want a warm vocal, I'd go all out and suggest getting a ribbon. The beautiful 635a, also useful as a tack hammer, has the incredible ability to turn even the warmest sounding source into a transistor radio type sound. EDIT: ...OR , pre-1980 telephone receiver type sound. I don't recall the EV635 having a variable D porting system. The RE15 and RE16 do. Regards, Ty Ford
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Post by forgotteng on Nov 16, 2015 19:51:02 GMT -6
SM7 is legit. also try the Beyer M88. That has fit the bill many times for me.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 16, 2015 20:13:05 GMT -6
Was the 635a used for a Hendrix type drum overhead sound or is that just a myth? I've used them on drum rooms a lot but on as a regular overhead.
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Post by jazznoise on Nov 17, 2015 5:08:07 GMT -6
I'd be surprised if it was. I stuck it above a drumkit before as everyone raves about them as OH's and I was extremely dissapointed. Definitely wasn't going to sound like "Crosstown Traffic" anytime soon.
635a's were used on TV alot for live shows. You'd see them above the kit for a Hendrix or a Beachboys performance, sure, but that doesn't mean they used them in the studio. I think that's a conclusion people made, rather than, just figuring out that Mitchell on a kit was a sound unto itself. Very under rated player, imho, he had a lot to offer when he was given the space.
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Post by swurveman on Nov 17, 2015 9:21:17 GMT -6
The classics, SM7 or RE20. Thanks, I've heard the SM-7 but not the RE-20 I listened to the Amy Winehouse clip with her singing through the RE-20. Could have been the preamp, but I thought there was an unpleasant distortion in her voice at times.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 17, 2015 9:29:53 GMT -6
I don't know about Mitch Mitchell being underrated. First he was in The Jimi Hendrix Experience, one of the greatest rock groups ever. If you like that band, you like Mitchell. He's been in a gazillion articles, and frequently acknowledged as one of the great rock drummers. If he didn't get the same amount of attention as someone like Keith Moon or Ginger Baker, it might be because Baker is such a wild personality, and was a bandleader. We should all be so "underrated" :-)
Off the top of my head, if I listed my top 5 rock drummers, I'd say.. Ginger Baker, Keith Moon, Charlie Watts, Ringo, and Mitch Mitchell .Funny, at least 3 or maybe 4 considered themselves Jazz drummers, which in a sense, they were.
I kind of agree that you could stick any mic in the world in front of Mitch Mitchell, and he would still sound great. I met him a long time back, he offered me my pick of any piece of clothing on a rack in a NY loft, they were all Jimi's clothes. I picked a mustard colored leather poncho with leather fringes, and foolishly gave it to my girlfriend at the time. Wish I could hit "undo" on that one, ugh..
OK, back to our regularly scheduled mic discussion. Mobeach, I'm still waiting to hear what you'd like to use a warm sounding dynamic for..
* maybe I'd make John Bonham fifth and Mitch Mitchell sixth, now that I think on it.
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Post by svart on Nov 17, 2015 9:47:13 GMT -6
Take any dynamic. Put a foam cap on it and a pop stopper in front.
BOOM
Warm.
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