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Post by wiz on Oct 29, 2015 18:18:12 GMT -6
If you make over $500k a year, this is a drop in the bucket. Some guys buy cars, some buy over priced consoles. Yeah, I was thinking about guys with boats... cheers Wiz |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Oct 29, 2015 18:23:28 GMT -6
Errm, yeah. I'm guessing this thing is BAD ass... |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Oct 29, 2015 18:25:02 GMT -6
...I shoulda gone to doctor school instead of music school... I use my degree and and career to support my addiction. And my family I guess lol.. |
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Post by jeromemason on Oct 29, 2015 20:01:08 GMT -6
Oh my God..... That's just sexy, plain a simple that is a beautiful piece of gear.
Now, the price, they're out of their minds. 10 channels?? It's just not even realistic for a project studio to invest in something like this. At least go to 16 channels.... 24 is what you really need to run a full band. $75k, I really don't understand what they were thinking when they priced this.
It's beautiful though, sexy.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 29, 2015 20:21:47 GMT -6
I have to say...if I were independently wealthy...
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 29, 2015 20:22:39 GMT -6
Think they would trade for a banner ad?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 29, 2015 21:13:37 GMT -6
For $75k, I'd grab that 24 channel Wunderbar on eBay and another 10k in outboard/conversion/cabling.
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Post by yotonic on Oct 29, 2015 22:00:49 GMT -6
I wish rappers would spend their money on these instead of Bentleys. There are enough Wall Street assholes buying Bentleys. Please flood the market with these.
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Post by rocinante on Oct 30, 2015 0:55:04 GMT -6
Okay Jeff get cracking. I need one of these and the only way I'll ever have one is if you figure out a way for us to build it.
Cause d-damn its beautiful.
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Post by jeromemason on Oct 30, 2015 1:09:38 GMT -6
Seems like it'd be and I don't want to say simple because there's a lot of little things that have to be configured..... but if you were to design around 51x and take 4 buckets of Jeff's 51x racks and set them up so there was connectivity between them for things like small signal routing and aux sends it seems you could build yourself a modular Neve, API etc. for so much less. The metal work for the center section could be drawn up and created. Hell, Jeff has everything in his store to make a modular console, it's all right there, it's just coming up with a plan and making it happen. I'd love to build myself a pure Capi modular.... design a 51x module to hold a P&G fader. A midi or HUI type of interface in the center section and the ability to link modules because of the 51x pinout you could have flying faders and groups, about anything you wanted. Someone should sign a petition for people on this site to work together to create it. We have every base covered to make that happen. At the end of the day you could have Neve modules if you wanted to track however many sessions, then when it's time, swap all the modules to API and start mixing. Hell, you could even swap it over to SSL if that's your thing, the routing and everything would stay the same, only difference would be the flavor of gear. If it went all DIY if could be built for a fraction and probably sound even better than that. Just my mind running  |
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Post by rocinante on Oct 30, 2015 1:52:16 GMT -6
And just me agreeing with you completely. A console is an undertaking though. And yes its doable, buts its also something that would take a painstakingly long time. Although you'd be probably floating on clouds the day it all came together. And worked. And right then it would all seem worth it.
Maybe someday (sigh).
I gotta finish my helios clones first (almost there). Them and about half a dozen other projects.
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Post by jeromemason on Oct 30, 2015 2:26:27 GMT -6
It depends on if you looked at it as purely a "console" but what if something that was somewhat of a hybrid.... I've always found you come up with the big idea first and then find all the reasons as to why budget, time, being realistic etc. starts making you shave and mold what will be the end idea, that is, what is quite possible and what could be done with the minds of a few. Everyone has their own piece of the puzzle, each one that is best in that piece of the puzzle. Do it that way and it will move faster and actually come together. You put it in one man's hands or ask someone to do something that he's not the best at, and it'll take much longer and could fall apart. I don't think it's as big of an undertaking as it may seem on the surface, not if you looked at it from a give and take perspective. I think we all know what is really important when it comes to having a modular system and what features are a must. I've always thought this could be done from within, on here, it'll just take enough people wanting it to happen and those willing to do pre-orders and such. First step would be to come up with the trimmed down idea that'll work, then come up with the cost and see if people want it after that! |
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 30, 2015 3:41:55 GMT -6
If you make over $500k a year, this is a drop in the bucket. Some guys buy cars, some buy over priced consoles. Once in a while I go to the flagship store here in Berlin. I asked the store manager: Me: Who is going to buy a fucking Stratocaster for about 6500 Euro. SM: Lawyers which want to make a dream come true. Me: What about practicing? SM: Dream on.... |
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 30, 2015 5:24:32 GMT -6
Seems like it'd be and I don't want to say simple because there's a lot of little things that have to be configured..... but if you were to design around 51x and take 4 buckets of Jeff's 51x racks and set them up so there was connectivity between them for things like small signal routing and aux sends it seems you could build yourself a modular Neve, API etc. for so much less. The metal work for the center section could be drawn up and created. Hell, Jeff has everything in his store to make a modular console, it's all right there, it's just coming up with a plan and making it happen. I'd love to build myself a pure Capi modular.... design a 51x module to hold a P&G fader. A midi or HUI type of interface in the center section and the ability to link modules because of the 51x pinout you could have flying faders and groups, about anything you wanted. Someone should sign a petition for people on this site to work together to create it. We have every base covered to make that happen. At the end of the day you could have Neve modules if you wanted to track however many sessions, then when it's time, swap all the modules to API and start mixing. Hell, you could even swap it over to SSL if that's your thing, the routing and everything would stay the same, only difference would be the flavor of gear. If it went all DIY if could be built for a fraction and probably sound even better than that. Just my mind running Is Paul Wolff doing something similar? 500 series modular console? |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 30, 2015 7:50:39 GMT -6
It depends on if you looked at it as purely a "console" but what if something that was somewhat of a hybrid.... I've always found you come up with the big idea first and then find all the reasons as to why budget, time, being realistic etc. starts making you shave and mold what will be the end idea, that is, what is quite possible and what could be done with the minds of a few. Everyone has their own piece of the puzzle, each one that is best in that piece of the puzzle. Do it that way and it will move faster and actually come together. You put it in one man's hands or ask someone to do something that he's not the best at, and it'll take much longer and could fall apart. I don't think it's as big of an undertaking as it may seem on the surface, not if you looked at it from a give and take perspective. I think we all know what is really important when it comes to having a modular system and what features are a must. I've always thought this could be done from within, on here, it'll just take enough people wanting it to happen and those willing to do pre-orders and such. First step would be to come up with the trimmed down idea that'll work, then come up with the cost and see if people want it after that! Here ya go... 2 of these ($1,800) - vintageking.com/purple-audio-sweet-10-rack10 of these ($9,950) - vintageking.com/neve-1073lb10 of these ($12,950) - vintageking.com/neve-1073lbeq1 of these ($5950) - vintageking.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/2524/Total - $30,650 + cabling. 10 into 2 modular Neve Console with room to expand in the summing mixer. |
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Post by EmRR on Oct 30, 2015 8:11:03 GMT -6
That's really the crux of it. It seems like virtually no working professional is able to function anymore on a console without recall. Sure some do, but it is no longer the norm. I expect a dozen people to argue against this case, but it doesn't change it. The trend is hobbyists with excess cash driving music equipment purchases.
If I abandon my Altec 9200A console project, my back burner thought is a mixer with Altec and Langevin 600 ohm faders and a couple aux, maybe just something a foot deep and 3 feet wide. That's all I use on a console anyway, and 85% of the time faders are parked at unity to pass through level automation from DP. WHICH IS JUST ANOTHER POINT OF ERROR INTRODUCED IN THE PATH. Rock it like the 1930's, all active circuits as outboard.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 30, 2015 11:49:06 GMT -6
One day, I'm going to be strolling around my hometown and one of my mom's friends (maybe, say, a former radio station owner) is going to say in an old, scratchy voice, "You do the music, right John? I need to have you take a look at this piece of junk I have - I'll sell it to you for $500...I think it's called a Beve or something..."
A man can dream...
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Post by winetree on Oct 30, 2015 12:14:33 GMT -6
I remember going with a friend to look at 2 consoles up in the hills around Los Angeles.
The people we met were from Russia and in a band called "Gorky Park"
One was a Harrison 4032 that looked pretty used and that they were asking $5,000 for.
The other was a 32 channel Neve 8068 that had come from a Theater House in Russia.
They wanted $10,000 for the Neve. My friend said the Harrison looked very well used
and the Neve was too much money.
We drove home empty handed.
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Post by jeromemason on Oct 30, 2015 12:51:37 GMT -6
It depends on if you looked at it as purely a "console" but what if something that was somewhat of a hybrid.... I've always found you come up with the big idea first and then find all the reasons as to why budget, time, being realistic etc. starts making you shave and mold what will be the end idea, that is, what is quite possible and what could be done with the minds of a few. Everyone has their own piece of the puzzle, each one that is best in that piece of the puzzle. Do it that way and it will move faster and actually come together. You put it in one man's hands or ask someone to do something that he's not the best at, and it'll take much longer and could fall apart. I don't think it's as big of an undertaking as it may seem on the surface, not if you looked at it from a give and take perspective. I think we all know what is really important when it comes to having a modular system and what features are a must. I've always thought this could be done from within, on here, it'll just take enough people wanting it to happen and those willing to do pre-orders and such. First step would be to come up with the trimmed down idea that'll work, then come up with the cost and see if people want it after that! Here ya go... 2 of these ($1,800) - vintageking.com/purple-audio-sweet-10-rack10 of these ($9,950) - vintageking.com/neve-1073lb10 of these ($12,950) - vintageking.com/neve-1073lbeq1 of these ($5950) - vintageking.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/2524/Total - $30,650 + cabling. 10 into 2 modular Neve Console with room to expand in the summing mixer. That's if you're buying off the shelf, and buying from VK, which I would consider a worst case scenario.... You do DIY racks, do Dave's 1073 and have him modularize his 1073eq into a single space and then do custom on the summing bus and aca and aux routing it'd be much less than that.... EDIT: The 8816 is actually a great idea for the summing section if you wanted to keep it purely Neve. I don't think those faders are motorized though, but I'm not positive. |
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Post by b1 on Oct 30, 2015 16:16:38 GMT -6
I saw the Purple Tens somewhere for $800.00 ea. (not Sweetwater).
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Post by b1 on Oct 30, 2015 16:37:13 GMT -6
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Post by jeromemason on Oct 30, 2015 17:07:28 GMT -6
You can build 2 of Jeffs 11 space 51x racks with a PSU for around $1100...... That's 22 spaces with the option of having 24vdc rails. If I were going to do it I would want the ability to have the 51x format in there, you can use standard VPR models in it as well. When you start throwing the group buy for modules in there the price starts moving south even more.
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Post by dandeurloo on Oct 30, 2015 18:46:13 GMT -6
One day, I'm going to be strolling around my hometown and one of my mom's friends (maybe, say, a former radio station owner) is going to say in an old, scratchy voice, "You do the music, right John? I need to have you take a look at this piece of junk I have - I'll sell it to you for $500...I think it's called a Beve or something..." A man can dream... That is not to far off from how I got mine! Pretty crazy. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 30, 2015 19:00:27 GMT -6
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Neve BCM10
Oct 30, 2015 19:30:43 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by rocinante on Oct 30, 2015 19:30:43 GMT -6
I'm certain dooing a diy neve console would be worth it but its still an undertaking even using the 51x/vpr racks. I guess if one could throw $10,000 at it right from the beginning (which considering what you'd get isnt that much) it would be far easier. Hybrid with daw control at that point would be necessary. Rip apart a bunch of bcfs? (I actually was gonna do that at one point)
I wonder are there any cheaper consoles that could be ripped apart that one could use the frame of and fit 51x/500 series racks in?
That would also be cost effective.
The master section though; thats where the hard part would probably be.
Also those Don Audio nv73s would be great.
I'm sure you guys saw Holgers beautiful tube console.
Breathtaking.
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