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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 28, 2013 0:50:11 GMT -6
to get a lot better! This is Andy powers, he lived 8 houses down from me growing up in Oceanside Ca, he has been the only one who's worked on my 72 jazz bass, and my 93 taylor 710 since i've owned them(both since 93), they are both incredibly good axes, in no small part to Andy's efforts. He is every bit as talented as Bob says he is in this video, he's always been excited about what he does, as well as humble, every piece he's made that i've had the pleasure of checking out (in his shop at his dads house), has been over the top beautiful sounding, with over the top workmanship to match. A number of years ago, I saw an old martin he was handed(don't remember the model, it was 50's at the latest), it had been seriously abused, with some various damage, and a crush in the top near the sound hole, i was like "man what a shame, that was a classic", the next time i saw it, it looked and sounded perfect, worn but un abused, like an old classic should look, not a visible repair anywhere! I am happy to see him getting the recognition he deserves, Taylor scored big getting him on board. here is some of his work pre taylor... |
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Post by mobeach on Sept 28, 2013 7:03:12 GMT -6
I wish I could afford a Taylor (Grand Auditorium to be exact)they're very road worthy and sound great!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 28, 2013 9:19:45 GMT -6
I use the Taylor Doyle Dykes as my work/writing guitar. It's purposely designed to be bright, but with a tight strong bottom. This was done specifically for singer/songwriters. It cuts through the background noise of a nightclub beautifully. My Martin D41 Turbo is a little too important to me to risk using in that kind of environment. What's been a pleasant surprise is how the Taylor complements the Martin on recorded tracks, so as I get more and more used to it, it should begin making regular appearances on my recordings. Sometimes, the Martin is too much of a good thing.
That guitar sounds good, distinctly Taylor, like my DD, bright, but fill. Only thing that bugged me a little, is it was kinda buzzy. Andy seems like a great guy, one who really knows his stuff, plays beautifully, and is just normal and humble about it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 28, 2013 9:23:19 GMT -6
I hope so...I don't mean this as a slight at all, but I've never really heard a Taylor I've liked...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 28, 2013 9:36:06 GMT -6
I understand John, I've always chosen Martin's or Gibson's over Taylor's. The one I have just had the right quality at the price point. It would have been another $800 for an equivalent Martin that would sound a little better, My friend has a lovely Gibson J45 Custom. I might borrow it next month it for a little recording experiment, just for fun.
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Post by mobeach on Sept 28, 2013 10:08:02 GMT -6
Taylors may not have the best tone I've heard in acoustics but every band I've seen with a Taylor, the guitar really stands out. A friend with an 814 CE doesn't seem to need to plug it in, it's loud!
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 28, 2013 14:00:59 GMT -6
i put my 710 up against a whole lot of $5-15k guitars of all makes over the years, and was always thrilled that i'd be keeping mine, i think i payed around $1,800 for it in 93. Taylor's did indeed sound better back then, and mine, like any good guitar, voiced beautifully over time, i call it the sleepy guitar, because when you play it for 5 minutes, you start to yawn, it's super smooth, rich, and sweet! Ironically, that's the one small complaint i have about it, it's eq curve is just a little too  for me, because i don't want to drop $5k on another guitar, i've been toying with the idea of stripping the finish off, and maybe having the bracing thinned a bit to bring up the jangle some , probably not going to happen though, not worth the gamble. I've been scanning all the local shops trying to find a smaller bodied jangler to compliment the taylor, but so far no luck. I think there is a little hit and a lot of miss with ALL guitars, thats why everyone buys and sells them so much? if you find one that rocks your socks off, my advice is DO NOT sell it...ever!! my 710 is a lifer!...so is my never think twice, plugnplay, original 1972 jazz bass 8) As far as Taylor goes, my prediction is Andy is going to bring Taylor back to a better sound, and more than likely surpass anything they've done to this point. Yes, i'm biased lol T |
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Post by popmann on Sept 28, 2013 20:57:41 GMT -6
I have an early 90s 410RW...when I took it around looking for a road worthy substitute...one strum and the sales guys would be like "nah...we don't have anything that sounds like that".
Here. Nashville. So, yeah--they certainly were different. And certainly with the added aging....
It was when Gruhn was still downtown--he had a $4200 Collings dread that beat it. There were some really high end Taylors that sounded "sorta like it but not as good"...they were all over $3k, and if I was going to spend that kind of money, I'd just get the Collings.
If I could only have a J45, I'd just not play acoustic guitar. Terrible honky midrange. I keep the old scooped 414eb around to record such honky beasts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 15:34:29 GMT -6
I had a 710 back in late 90's. Haven't done acoustic seriously since then.
I did go shopping recently. I could never go back to a Taylor. Too mid-rangy and bright. I don't care for 90% of what is out there. When i do buy again, it will be torture finding what I think sounds good.
Also... I use to shop by sitting and playing. These days, when shopping for acoustic, I will be facing the wall or even better, having a friend play while I listen.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 6, 2013 21:10:20 GMT -6
No snark intended, but just get a good Martin, and you'll be done with it.
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Post by Newton In Orbit on Oct 6, 2013 22:21:42 GMT -6
I hope so...I don't mean this as a slight at all, but I've never really heard a Taylor I've liked... I don't want one of my first posts to be negative, but I'm with you on this. I have probably recorded 30-40 taylors now. G.C. here pushes them HARD, and they certainly look real nice. That being said, they are of course everywhere here in VA. Out of these 30-40, maybe 5 sounded nice and relatively balanced. Most are missing punch and richness in the fundamental / lower mids, are really bright, and kinda boomy on the bottom. Maybe they are great plugged in live....I dunno. The interesting thing I have noticed, is the $ and the tone don't correlate much. Some of the plainer looking models without bells and whistles, actually sounded better. Had a much tighter low end too. Not to hijack, but if old Martin and Gibson is what you like, but the good old examples are getting hard to find, maybe look at these if you haven't already. Being where you are John, I'm sure you have played one, as I hear they are getting popular with session cats: www.pantheonguitars.com/I have recorded one, and only one, but if they are all like that one, geez. I couldn't sleep that night thinking about how to get one. Pretty damn pricey unfortunately, but made like the old gtrs, and sound like them as well. At least to my tin ear :0) Anyways, cool to hear about the new designer luthier coming on at Taylor. Nice post! Again, great forum you guys have going, haven't been to the "other' site in months except to reply to a geekslutz mod question. Thanks. nio |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 7, 2013 7:55:35 GMT -6
If you're patient, you can find a great sounding Martin between for $1200 and $2,200. I once found a DC-16GTE that was by far, the finest sounding acoustic/electric I'd ever heard, didn't have the $1250 for it. I got the money together and went back for it, and of course, it was gone. I tried a few others, and they weren't as good. I forget the model number, but there's a sweet Martin single cutaway acoustic/electric, the one with the white binding on the neck, it sells for around $2,200, and if you find a good one, it as nice as any of the D-28's or D-35's. You gotta look, and be patient, but be ready to grab one when you see it. I ended up with a mega buck Martin, when the $1,200 one would have been all I'd ever need, except I wasn't ready at that time.
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Post by mobeach on Oct 8, 2013 9:54:56 GMT -6
I was just listening to some live Sarah McLachlan, her Taylor sounds great! Granted she has a good FOH engineer but the tone was spine tingling.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 8, 2013 11:40:01 GMT -6
Suzanne Vega gets a nice sound from her Taylor. It's crisp and articulate, alive, yet not too bright. But then, her music features that sound. In a track with lots of instruments, it could very well be too bright.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 8, 2013 12:03:10 GMT -6
my taylor is anything but too bright, i think when your talking hi end guitars, (which most are not, including martins and taylors), to each guitar it's own/. Btw, in 93, i searched every brand, and every guitar store from La to the Mexican border before nabbing up the 710.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 8, 2013 12:27:01 GMT -6
here's a sample of my 710 through a heavily modded rode K2 + Vp28 pre, my guitar has 11's on it, excuse the crappy playing and der doy 8/ commentary, but i wanted to let it ring and decay a bit, as well as hit hard to get the idea of dynamic range and tone across. You may notice the slight eq curve i was talking about earlier in this thread, but overall, i love my guitar. Btw, IME string gauge/material/pics make enormous changes in tone, i find phosphor bronze 11's to be very useful for getting rid of the boom from drednougts w/out having to use the dreaded EQ while tracking, they sound a little bottom light in the room, but translate way better to most mixes. soundcloud.com/tonycamp/modded-k2-samples-1 |
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Post by mobeach on Oct 8, 2013 13:17:24 GMT -6
I think your Taylor has a bluesy tone to it, definitely not bright.
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Post by Newton In Orbit on Oct 30, 2013 14:38:32 GMT -6
Maybe that's the ticket Tony. I'm pretty sure the ones I did like were older. It wasn't until (in my area) 2001-2 that the market just got totally saturated with GC Taylors. It was then I begin getting disheartened when seeing one come in I reckon.
That said, a cat had one I had never seen before, maybe in 1996 or 97. This guitar had no electronics, and sounded really nice. Balanced and full.
Don't get me wrong,There have been some good ones. Maybe it's possible the people that have brought them in that I didn't like, just didn't have the same ear as I when choosing the gtr they wanted. Everybody has different tastes. For the record, they all seemed fine for the most part with the sound of their recorded Taylors. Even as consistent as Taylor is supposed to be, wood is wood, and it all can sound very different. The other thing is, new / young players seem to be attracted to treble / brightness, thinking it equates to clarity.
That coupled with marketing aimed at people wanting to "Cut through a mix" might be another reason.
Anyways, I'll quit blathering.
Glad you like your Taylor, and I'm sure it sounds great. If you say it's not too bright, I'd probably like it too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 15:21:21 GMT -6
Love Taylor Guitars. Bright and full as someone else here put it.
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for me, because i don't want to drop $5k on another guitar, i've been toying with the idea of stripping the finish off, and maybe having the bracing thinned a bit to bring up the jangle some , probably not going to happen though, not worth the gamble. I've been scanning all the local shops trying to find a smaller bodied jangler to compliment the taylor, but so far no luck. I think there is a little hit and a lot of miss with ALL guitars, thats why everyone buys and sells them so much? if you find one that rocks your socks off, my advice is DO NOT sell it...ever!! my 710 is a lifer!...so is my never think twice, plugnplay, original 1972 jazz bass 8)
