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Sept 21, 2015 10:15:25 GMT -6
Post by rickcarson on Sept 21, 2015 10:15:25 GMT -6
Whos got some cool tricks to share? Maybe its something you came up with maybe its something you heard CLA or MHB do. Whos got the tricks. I love Bob O telling that Bill S used DBX 160's on the two buss. Who else has tricks?
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Sept 21, 2015 10:25:12 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on Sept 21, 2015 10:25:12 GMT -6
Whos got some cool tricks to share? Maybe its something you came up with maybe its something you heard CLA or MHB do. Whos got the tricks. I love Bob O telling that Bill S used DBX 160's on the two buss. Who else has tricks? realgearonline.com/thread/3003/mixing-tips-secrets
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Post by jdc on Sept 21, 2015 11:16:23 GMT -6
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Post by jdc on Sept 21, 2015 11:20:48 GMT -6
for bands with two guitars, i like to track with a very short, very small amount of reverb and pan them hard L and R to create more separation, if that suits your fancy.
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Sept 21, 2015 14:55:36 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 14:55:36 GMT -6
CLAs bus comp settings are insane, I had a buddy get back from Mix With The Masters in france this year and when I heard them I raised an eyebrow, when I tried them out it just made perfect sense how he gets away pushing 8k on everything like that. attack 1, release .1 ratio 4:1 and knocking back like 8db. Just insane. As far as tricks, I track through all of my plugins on input which allows me to shape and record finished tones and at mix everything becomes a matter of making everything fit.
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Post by schmalzy on Sept 21, 2015 15:22:49 GMT -6
Similar to jdc's comment, I run all of my wide guitars through some sort of mono ambience. Whether it's a room mic panned center, a reverb panned center, or a "doubler" sort of delay panned center and mix that in pretty low.
It helps make the wide ass guitars not feel so starkly off to the side. Careful about collapsing to mono, though, it has the possibility of getting kind of weird.
Also, in a rock setting I compress my drums for two things and do so on two parallel signals. If the main sound I need is punchy, I'll use slow attack/tempo-appropriate release times and . It allows huge transients to come through. All my shells then get routed (pre-fader) to a parallel channel to do the opposite: smash the crap out of the transient and emphasize the sustain with fast attack/fast release. Then I basically have the two important drum tone components on different faders. The individual drums get routed to the drum bus and the parallel gets blended.
Need less transient: bring the individual channels down. Need less sustain: bring the parallel down. It's not so much a trick as it's a mindset that I had to stumble upon much like I would a "mixing trick." I had always heard "use parallel compression" but I wasn't 100% sure I knew what I was getting out of it. I figured it out and, in rock music, anyway, I've got my process and workflow set up to accommodate what I'm typically looking for.
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Post by svart on Sept 21, 2015 15:32:57 GMT -6
I sometimes do the Andy Wallace stereo trick. Track two guitars, one left, one right. Now copy both tracks to new tracks and flip polarity on both. Now mix the 2nd "left" track under the 1st "right" track, and the 2nd "right" track under the 1st "left" track. The copied and flipped tracks will be like -6 to -10db under the originals..
What this does is null parts of the image that are similar in both the left and right tracks and the resulting effect makes the tracks sound even wider.
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Sept 21, 2015 16:02:36 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on Sept 21, 2015 16:02:36 GMT -6
I sometimes do the Andy Wallace stereo trick. Track two guitars, one left, one right. Now copy both tracks to new tracks and flip polarity on both. Now mix the 2nd "left" track under the 1st "right" track, and the 2nd "right" track under the 1st "left" track. The copied and flipped tracks will be like -6 to -10db under the originals.. What this does is null parts of the image that are similar in both the left and right tracks and the resulting effect makes the tracks sound even wider. sounds interesting, never heard of this, looking forward to trying it, thanx for the tip 8)
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Sept 21, 2015 16:43:45 GMT -6
Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 21, 2015 16:43:45 GMT -6
I'll share this one (although I haven't had a chance to try it myself yet). I was at a friends studio there other day and he and I were talking about tricks we'd picked up since we had talked last. It had been awhile. He told me about a different take he'd found on parallel compressing a lead vocal. He said dup a vocal track and send them both to a stereo aux. Hard pan them both then crush the hell out of one. Then play with the levels on both until the uncompressed track bounces slightly above the non compressed on hotter passages. He says it works really well on slower material and create a very dynamic but controlled vocal. I am going to try it but thought I'd share so you guys can too.
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Sept 21, 2015 17:15:04 GMT -6
Post by jazznoise on Sept 21, 2015 17:15:04 GMT -6
I sometimes do the Andy Wallace stereo trick. Track two guitars, one left, one right. Now copy both tracks to new tracks and flip polarity on both. Now mix the 2nd "left" track under the 1st "right" track, and the 2nd "right" track under the 1st "left" track. The copied and flipped tracks will be like -6 to -10db under the originals.. What this does is null parts of the image that are similar in both the left and right tracks and the resulting effect makes the tracks sound even wider. Solid tip, especially for mixes with wide vocals where they'll drop in level in mono - nice to have other midrange instruments drop a little more. For the same reasons I apply additional M/S widening to my stereo reverb returns, usually just carving about 3dB off the centre to keep the ambiance levels similar. I use a lot of mono reverb too. If I'm also sending a few different instruments to the same reverb bus, I'll probably have a few busses feeding into the reverb with 100% wet delays adjusting the pre-delay per instrument and maybe some EQ too. But by now you guys know I could talk all day about reverb. Anyway, my tip: If you're wet/drying effects but finding it hard to decide between too much and too little, my advice is to use a double track for the effect. You still have a dry version, but the differences in the DT pull it away from the original performance. Delays and inserting effects in feedback loops of delays can work great if you don't have a double track. Modulation effects in particular love the feedback loops of delays - give it a try.
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Sept 21, 2015 17:51:11 GMT -6
Post by mrholmes on Sept 21, 2015 17:51:11 GMT -6
My trick is no trick. Take care for a good monitoring situation and use asap external summing.
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Post by Ward on Sept 22, 2015 5:28:59 GMT -6
This isn't a recording or mixing trick, but rather a simple recording principle:
Always track as finished a sound as possible. Tone, not effects embedded. Don't be afraid of minor EQ corrections (like carving out 350z from kick drums and toms, HPF on guitars and snares, multi-mic'ing guitars so that they can be EQ'ed with varying their level later) and hit those compressors whilst tracking!
You can't "fix it in the mix" you can only "mask it in the mix". Garbage in, garbage out.
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Sept 22, 2015 13:08:23 GMT -6
Post by mobeach on Sept 22, 2015 13:08:23 GMT -6
If I dupe a vocal track then pan L and R I'll set the delay (if using a delay) at different rates, it kind of adds a swelling effect. I just experiment, I don't refer to them as tricks.
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Post by svart on Sept 25, 2015 12:03:18 GMT -6
If I dupe a vocal track then pan L and R I'll set the delay (if using a delay) at different rates, it kind of adds a swelling effect. I just experiment, I don't refer to them as tricks. I'll do this, especially on background vocals. I'll copy, nudge the new track 10ms or so, then send both tracks through a stereo delay/chorus, adjusting as needed for the song, but usually just barely audible. Just this small addition can make things sound even bigger/wider.
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Post by noah shain on Sept 26, 2015 18:48:17 GMT -6
Here's one I've shared before but never gotten feedback on. When tracking drums, take two snares and set them on the floor, near the kit, on their sides so they're standing next to each other like the front wheels of a car. Face the snare wire sides toward each other, about 4-5 inches apart. Put a mic, like a 58, between them and cover the whole mess with a blanket or something. Crank the mic pre way up and filter out some top and some 300hz-Ish mud. Crank some low end in and smash it with a distressor or something fast. It'll be a massive, wonderful sort of snare verb-Ish, note lengthener or kick woofer-izer. You can tailor it in mix with eq or gate side chained to kick or snare. Tuck it up under a dry signal. I wish someone would try this and improve on it! It can be heard on pretty much all my records since the AsTallAsLions record I did in 2010 where I discovered it by accident when I forgot a mic on the snare shelf. I swear it's cool!
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Sept 27, 2015 11:17:37 GMT -6
Hire an arranger!
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