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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 11, 2015 11:24:07 GMT -6
I was working on a drumbus the other night and really liked what the UAD 1176 E was doing, but it doesn't have a hpf. Isn't there a way I can use the sidechain in Cubase to only affect certain frequencies?
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Post by popmann on Sept 11, 2015 11:30:07 GMT -6
Yeah, but on a bus specifically, it's a PIA because you need a second identical buss (sans compressor plus EQ) to send into the compressor's side chain. And since you likely have your channel outputs routed to the drum buss, it means you then use the aux send to send to the buss....functional PIA.
With a track, you would right click, duplicate track....set the dup to not have an output, but send to the side chain.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 11, 2015 11:38:06 GMT -6
Yeah maybe parallel with serve the same purpose
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Post by popmann on Sept 11, 2015 12:11:35 GMT -6
Well, it's the same set up. I wasn't describing parallel compression through....the parallel buss is needed to feed the first one's compressor side chain input. Enabling the Cubase side chain is just creating a SC input for that plug in....right, you have to feed it something....thus the parallel buss with an EQ on it.
Use the FabFilter if that is the issue. or don't send the kick to the drum buss.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 11, 2015 12:21:14 GMT -6
Yeah - gotcha...I just liked the distortion the UAD plug was getting - and on a side note, I thought it was far superior to the Steven Slate equivalent...but I guess it depends on what you're looking for. Just not sending the kick to the drum bus is probably the right way to handle. I've been using the Slate Blackbird drums on a lot of things lately and I haven't even been breaking the channels out. So, it's a little bit of laziness on my part.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 11, 2015 12:21:43 GMT -6
Thanks!
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Post by popmann on Sept 11, 2015 20:55:43 GMT -6
Slate's 76 doesn't sound like a 76 to me. At least not one I've used. It's sizzly....rather than that nasal forward thing that 76 IOs do....but, then I'm not really the one to ask about 76s, as I kind of hate them.  ...except the CLA Bluestripe. Which as an interesting side note--is what my LA3a sounds like passing signal. The best digital replication of my unit is actually to use their CLA3a with the analog IO OFF....and then stick the CLA76 on Bluey after it just passing signal and unity. Not that I would do anything like geek out on replicating the sound of my hardware....or anything....  |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 14, 2015 9:01:31 GMT -6
Everything I've ever tried of Slates is sizzley. Even the eqs and Vari comps. Not a bad thing sometimes but certainly not accurate replicas.
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Post by svart on Sept 14, 2015 9:29:56 GMT -6
I never side chain anything.
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 14, 2015 10:15:41 GMT -6
Feeding a comp side chain is gold in the right circumstance, Side chaining a kick and bass CORRECTLY, can be a powerhouse move, the reason for the CAP letters is 95% of folks don't know how to do that move properly, they just duck the bass at the moment the kick hits=fail
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 14, 2015 10:23:09 GMT -6
Feeding a comp side chain is gold in the right circumstance, Side chaining a kick and bass CORRECTLY, can be a powerhouse move, the reason for the CAP letters is 95% of folks don't know how to do that move properly, they just duck the bass at the moment the kick hits=fail Want to explain how to do it properly (not trying to be a smart ass here even though it looks that way when typed)? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 14, 2015 10:30:10 GMT -6
Feeding a comp side chain is gold in the right circumstance, Side chaining a kick and bass CORRECTLY, can be a powerhouse move, the reason for the CAP letters is 95% of folks don't know how to do that move properly, they just duck the bass at the moment the kick hits=fail Want to explain how to do it properly (not trying to be a smart ass here even though it looks that way when typed)? Jes, not taken like that at all bud, I'll have to come back later with some long splaining |
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Post by jdc on Sept 14, 2015 14:19:00 GMT -6
Feeding a comp side chain is gold in the right circumstance, Side chaining a kick and bass CORRECTLY, can be a powerhouse move, the reason for the CAP letters is 95% of folks don't know how to do that move properly, they just duck the bass at the moment the kick hits=fail so you're saying getting my whole mix to duck -6dB every time there's a kick is the wrong way to go?  |
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 14, 2015 14:45:51 GMT -6
I find the sidechain pumping thing a little nauseous. I get it for 4 to the floor EDM stuff, but I don't think it suits anything else.
Sidechaining kick to bass is legit, as is sidechaining vocals to very midrange heavy instruments in a stupidly dense pop mix. Sidechaining a dynamic EQ/multiband can be good too, as usually the issue for hearing the kick is that the bass range is swamping out the kick's sub - usually the attack is coming through just fine.
I do sidechain filtering a lot, but that's about it.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 14, 2015 16:40:49 GMT -6
BTW, JK, you can easily setup a side chaining ducking compressor for the bass in Cubase with any of the Waves comps or Cubase comps. This is the old radio commercial trick letting the music pump back and forth when the voice over comes in/out. Works great on some busy tunes for ducking a bass and vocal back and forth without automation. Those two are usually up the middle and depending on the key/octave of bass etc, can tend to get in each others way.
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Post by drumrec on Sept 14, 2015 16:41:39 GMT -6
Sometimes I tend to use the side-chain instead of cut out frequencies with EQ. I do not mean Eric Prydz "Call on me" style of side-chain pump, but rather give the instruments a place with the help of side-chain. Sounds more musical than cut out frequencies with EQ sometimes and give u more solid bass!
my 0.0002 cent
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Post by ragan on Sept 14, 2015 16:57:17 GMT -6
I use side chaining a lot on vocal effects. Especially slap back delays (which I use a ton). Just the tiniest bit of ducking on that delay really clears up the intelligibility.
FWIW, I think Slate's 1176 might be the most accurate software 1176. Not my favorite on everything but the most accurate (my opinion only). It sounds almost (and I mean really close) to my WA76, though only if matched by ear, not at the exact same settings. I also had a Mohog for awhile and used to rent a Urei Rev F a good bit. I think the main thing with Slate's is the metering is a little weird and its 500 series GUI throws people off (myself included).
The UAD's allegedly don't model the output harmonics/distortion at all. I've seen analyzer images but I haven't done it myself. They do definitely sound cleaner than Slate's though. I still prefer them to Slate's in a lot of cases, perhaps for that reason.
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