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Post by jazznoise on Sept 7, 2015 0:25:45 GMT -6
What's horrible is, those who want to pattern their setup like the current commercial standards and destroying their music in the process by pumping the volume to unnatural inhuman levels. Mortgaging their life to get unnecessarily expensive high end priced gear just to end up defeating the purpose by smashing the daylights out of it. That's unthinkable by anyone's standard; or it should be. Art has become imitation at every twist of the knob. Might as well get some insight from independently thinking all of the processes through. I'll buy the Independent's stuff who enjoys music rather than the established label's over-hyped business-end nonsense. And I'll never support a company who thinks their name alone brings a premium price. They may have a trick or two up their sleeve, but it's plain to see the ones who are dropping the ball. Yeah, huge props to the marketing heads that pushed for that because I don't see why anyone who is making recording strictly for personnel use would spend their time shoving them through the 21st century's musical organ grinder. Even for stuff like my own band, it's not really a commercial adventure - so why the hell would I be trying to make DR5 records? I thing, in terms of ability to archive, this is a golden age for musicians. From the last decade on every band has been able to document their music pretty well for not a lot of cash. 8-16 tracks that, as long as they archive, will be with them when they want to show their grandkids. |
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Post by M57 on Sept 7, 2015 3:45:23 GMT -6
I'm looking forward to working with some writers in Nashville at some point, I guess I'll have to familiarize with Pro Tools, but I'm not looking forward to it. I can see that working pros need it. As a songwriter at home, Logic gives me way more than any other DAW, for way less. I'm grateful files can at least be brought into different DAWS. The writers that I know in Nashville flip open their laptops and use Garage band! That surprises me.. Then they turn around and record it somewhere on Pro Tools? Seeing as GarageBand is its little brother, you would think a certain number of them have Logic at home. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 7, 2015 8:12:46 GMT -6
Being a long time Cubase user I sometimes run into eye-rolling from folks who still think that the only pro way to record is with Pro Tools. And in a real way that perception is what keeps them King of the market. I think what Avid needs to understand is that it will not take a majority of studios and producers switching from ProTools to other DAWs to have them loose their foothold. All that will be needed is a marketplace tipping point created by the public knowledge that professionals are using many different DAWs to make great records. Once the guise of superiority is gone the tumble could come swiftly. We can thank audio forums (insert purple site here) for those off track perceptions. "Beat makers" spouting off that "PT sound the best!!!" and such. Those who really understand digital audio ignore these types of beliefs I think. But it still sways a clueless market. The most dangerous weapon on the planet isn't nuclear, it's propaganda and or, misinformation. It can even lead away the wise sometimes. But I think people are tired of having their wallets raped. So that helps change minds in many cases  Avid is digging their own grave by cutting off the hands that feed them. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 7, 2015 8:15:33 GMT -6
oohh, that's interesting lpedrum, that's an easy fit into Logic if I ever need to.
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Post by Randge on Sept 7, 2015 8:16:52 GMT -6
The writers that I know in Nashville flip open their laptops and use Garage band! That surprises me.. Then they turn around and record it somewhere on Pro Tools? Seeing as GarageBand is its little brother, you would think a certain number of them have Logic at home. They use Garage Band to write the songs and get clearance to record them with a full band from their publishing companies. In many cases, the loops and groove elements of the song can simply be downloaded and used as a click when the full band tracks to/with them. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 7, 2015 8:46:00 GMT -6
I'm looking forward to working with some writers in Nashville at some point, I guess I'll have to familiarize with Pro Tools, but I'm not looking forward to it. I can see that working pros need it. As a songwriter at home, Logic gives me way more than any other DAW, for way less. I'm grateful files can at least be brought into different DAWS. The writers that I know in Nashville flip open their laptops and use Garage band! I would say the majority of writers in Nashville don't have the ability to self record - and they're struuuuugling to adapt. The day of $4000 sessions are gone. So, those that can't do it themselves are starting to depend on one-off sessions or track guys, etc. The ability to do your own demo's is a huge selling point these days. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Sept 7, 2015 11:59:03 GMT -6
Maybe they'll go back to self-accompanied vocals. That's what really separates the wheat from the chaff in song quality.
I used to enjoy watching every jaw in a room hit the floor when I played people some of our Motown songwriter demos from the late '60s. Unfortunately those 7.5s got lost in our move from San Francisco to Nashville.
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Post by lpedrum on Sept 7, 2015 18:39:53 GMT -6
Maybe they'll go back to self-accompanied vocals. That's what really separates the wheat from the chaff in song quality. I used to enjoy watching every jaw in a room hit the floor when I played people some of our Motown songwriter demos from the late '60s. Unfortunately those 7.5s got lost in our move from San Francisco to Nashville. Now that's a shame. I'd buy that record! |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 8, 2015 19:57:24 GMT -6
Hearing those demos would be amazing Bob. Is there one or two extant that we still might hear?
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Sept 8, 2015 20:24:38 GMT -6
The boxes the tapes were in got lost in San Francisco. There are probably even more amazing demos from the '50s and '60s at Sony Publishing.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 8, 2015 20:54:50 GMT -6
When I occasionally hear a demo, and then the hit song it became, it's almost always boosts my confidence. The demos rarely sound great, usually just good. The song itself and the arrangements are what stand out.
I came in very late in the game to using a DAW. I had left the music business, and taught music to kids for a long time. When I came back, it was like I'd been cryogenically asleep for 15 years, and came back to an unfamiliar world. I had so much catching up to do it was daunting, and I still occasionally feel some of it's over my head. So, when I decided to try digital recording, I had to choose a DAW, and Pro Tools just seemed so overpriced, with different levels and costs, it was confusing, and seemed like a rip off to my inexperienced "digital" eyes.
If it wasn't so firmly established, (not under playing the value of that), would anyone choose Pro Tools? Not so many I think. The list of what is included in Logic, besides the obvious high res recording capability is quite awesome, and people would save thousands of dollars on wasted plugs if they only heard Logic's. The money saved leaves people with much more available cash to purchase their favorite plugs made by other companies.
I already do everything I need to do with Logic, and Logic is so deep, I've barely scratched the surface of some of the powerful functions it comes with.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 11, 2015 20:07:40 GMT -6
I know that I need to upgrade because I don't want to have to pay $899 when the annual thing lapses. But man, I'm having a hard time handing over $99. Now - if it was an upgrade to something newer and bigger, I might be happy to part with my money, but it just feels SO dirty.
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