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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 2, 2015 18:33:53 GMT -6
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Post by mulmany on Sept 2, 2015 18:44:30 GMT -6
Umm...ok, so now you don't get to keep the bundled plugs. They needed a better reason for people to buy the updates every year.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 2, 2015 18:52:23 GMT -6
Well $99 is better than $299 for software upgrades but how many features do you need, ie why keep paying ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 2, 2015 19:10:15 GMT -6
I'm using pt less and less.
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Post by ragan on Sept 2, 2015 23:09:08 GMT -6
Man, I'm at such a weird crossroads. I was really fed up with PT bugginess and so I downloaded a demo of Cubase. It was a DISASTER. Took me forever to figure out basic stuff like configuring inputs and outputs. I knew it was gonna be a shock to the system since I'm so comfortable with PT but damn, the layout seemed so obtuse. I went running back to PT and updated my iMacs OS and cleared some room of my audio HD and it improved things.
But what the hell is with the ever changing PT payment scheme? I'm so lost as to what I own and what I'm gonna be gouged out of and what yearly extortion I'm gonna need to pay (or else!!!). Avid seems tone deaf.
Then again, I've never tried to run a software company. What do I know...
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 3, 2015 0:21:32 GMT -6
Avid is keeping the perpetual licenses and now providing incremental price options for updated software, support and new plugs or there is the subscription service.
If you have a perpetual license you can buy just 12 for $99 no support or new plugs before Jan 1 after its $299.
So that gets you the new improved software now including some hd features but if you don't keep paying annually no new features after Jan 1/17.
I think ?
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Post by ragan on Sept 3, 2015 0:28:46 GMT -6
Avid is keeping the perpetual licenses and now providing incremental price options for updated software, support and new plugs or there is the subscription service. If you have a perpetual license you can buy just 12 for $99 no support or new plugs before Jan 1 after its $299. So that gets you the new improved software now including some hd features but if you don't keep paying annually no new features after Jan 1/17. I think ? Weird. I don't dig subscription stuff. Maybe I'll come around to it. I just like to know what I f*&$n have and what I don't : )
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 3, 2015 0:34:48 GMT -6
me neither bacon lover aside I call them dumbscription services
put 12 for $ 99 if it's a perpetual license is actually cheaper than its previous upgrades.
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Post by formatcyes on Sept 3, 2015 0:45:51 GMT -6
Man, I'm at such a weird crossroads. I was really fed up with PT bugginess and so I downloaded a demo of Cubase. It was a DISASTER. Took me forever to figure out basic stuff like configuring inputs and outputs. I knew it was gonna be a shock to the system since I'm so comfortable with PT but damn, the layout seemed so obtuse. I went running back to PT and updated my iMacs OS and cleared some room of my audio HD and it improved things. But what the hell is with the ever changing PT payment scheme? I'm so lost as to what I own and what I'm gonna be gouged out of and what yearly extortion I'm gonna need to pay (or else!!!). Avid seems tone deaf. Then again, I've never tried to run a software company. What do I know... I struggled with Cubase as well just wasent intuitive prity much tried most of the DAW's ended up up with logic X and Harrison mix buss sooo glad to be off the PT wagon.
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Post by rickcarson on Sept 3, 2015 6:48:19 GMT -6
Im so upset they keep taking feature from HD there is now no reason to own HD Native and HDx in my opinion.
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 3, 2015 6:54:45 GMT -6
Financial speaking, Avid is a sinking ship at this stage. I feel sorry for the users.
My Reaper license cost me 50 euro and will do me up until Reaper 5.99. At which point I'll probably move up to the commercial license for the next 2 point upgrades.
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Post by rickcarson on Sept 3, 2015 8:19:08 GMT -6
I wish I could switch to reaper. I have mixed a few video games in it but none of my other clients use it. You can route anything to anything!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 10:06:48 GMT -6
Man, I'm at such a weird crossroads. I was really fed up with PT bugginess and so I downloaded a demo of Cubase. It was a DISASTER. Took me forever to figure out basic stuff like configuring inputs and outputs. I knew it was gonna be a shock to the system since I'm so comfortable with PT but damn, the layout seemed so obtuse. This pretty much sums up also my last experience trying a Cubase demo. I pretty much can instantly figure out how to make first steps in Reaper or Ardour/Mixbus, coming from Sonar, but stuff like Cubase or Ableton drives me nuts. I don't find even the most basic things... At least i'm not the only one having this prob with *some* DAWs...
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Post by ericn on Sept 3, 2015 10:15:40 GMT -6
Im so upset they keep taking feature from HD there is now no reason to own HD Native and HDx in my opinion. I/O count and BlA Modded Avid 192s! But I think HDX is becoming more and more of a post thing!
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 3, 2015 10:19:27 GMT -6
Man, I'm at such a weird crossroads. I was really fed up with PT bugginess and so I downloaded a demo of Cubase. It was a DISASTER. Took me forever to figure out basic stuff like configuring inputs and outputs. I knew it was gonna be a shock to the system since I'm so comfortable with PT but damn, the layout seemed so obtuse. This pretty much sums up also my last experience trying a Cubase demo. I pretty much can instantly figure out how to make first steps in Reaper or Ardour/Mixbus, coming from Sonar, but stuff like Cubase or Ableton drives me nuts. I don't find even the most basic things... At least i'm not the only one having this prob with *some* DAWs... isn't cubase made by your native brethren? i'd think you'd take to it like a fish to water?
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 3, 2015 10:47:14 GMT -6
I wish I could switch to reaper. I have mixed a few video games in it but none of my other clients use it. You can route anything to anything!!! I guess for label stuff it could be a pain. My deliverable is just a .wav and an .mp3 usually.
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Post by Ward on Sept 3, 2015 10:49:07 GMT -6
I'm not into renting. I like to own my gear. Subscription service to me seems like a rental scheme. No thanks.
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Post by b1 on Sept 3, 2015 11:07:22 GMT -6
When I checked to see what all of the hoopla was about over "PoTools" back in the 001 days, it was clear that Avid was not "normal people", even by the way the website and the platform was structured. I'm so glad I didn't jump on that ship. At the time I couldn't imagine that people would stand still for a closed scheme like that. Boy, they not only stood still for it, but ate it up and went back for second & third helpin's of subscribing into a money black hole. I like stuff that works without going to a gatekeeper to ask for simple things to work across the board and fit easily into a workflow without building around a closed system that kept you coming back to make things work like they should've from the onset. Not a glutton for punishment here.
To me, simple and highly flexible things like Reaper, open source stuff, hardware, hybrid, open ended, configurable, and modular are a workflow that's impossible to do without. I M O
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Post by porkyman on Sept 3, 2015 18:46:47 GMT -6
Man, I'm at such a weird crossroads. I was really fed up with PT bugginess and so I downloaded a demo of Cubase. It was a DISASTER. Took me forever to figure out basic stuff like configuring inputs and outputs. I knew it was gonna be a shock to the system since I'm so comfortable with PT but damn, the layout seemed so obtuse. This pretty much sums up also my last experience trying a Cubase demo. I pretty much can instantly figure out how to make first steps in Reaper or Ardour/Mixbus, coming from Sonar, but stuff like Cubase or Ableton drives me nuts. I don't find even the most basic things... At least i'm not the only one having this prob with *some* DAWs... i agree about cubase but reaper is even lower on my list. i pretty much tried them all. gave them at least a weak, but i couldnt even get past the first day with reaper. not being able to highlight regions was just silliness. i dont know if thats changed but i couldnt stand it. samplitude is the easiest transition for PT users. ive given up. whenever they say jump i just say how high now. im tired of fighting it. once a PT junkie always aPT junkie.
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 4, 2015 5:29:53 GMT -6
This is why I feel bad for ProTools users. It was always expensive, they rarely got the full features set they wanted, they forced down the most proprietary route possible and yet they were constantly assured it was the best. It was good software, but the last 5 years has seen them slip seriously in comparison to competition. Coupled with a shrinking market and big previous investments, it's not a great time to be an Avid customer.
However the company have always been elitist and cynical and if the current board ends up living in a dumpster it'll be too good for them. They've screwed customers and they've doomed a lot of their employees. I kind of just want them to close tomorrow so the employees can get their redundancy while there's still some liquidity and the current customers don't end up buying another half chewed upgrade.
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Post by rickcarson on Sept 4, 2015 6:57:51 GMT -6
I wish I could switch to reaper. I have mixed a few video games in it but none of my other clients use it. You can route anything to anything!!! I guess for label stuff it could be a pain. My deliverable is just a .wav and an .mp3 usually. Post, Label, Small, song writer. Out of over 200 clients I can think of I have five people on logic and 2 on live and thats it.
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Post by swurveman on Sept 4, 2015 8:04:19 GMT -6
I'm using pt less and less. It's interesting, because I'm using pt a lot more. I wonder if peoples experiences with software is often determined by how nice the software plays with their computer. For example, Pro Tools 11 has worked without a hiccup for my computer. Meanwhile, for the first time Cubase is not playing well with my computer. For example, I can't mixdown on projects that originated in 6.07 in Cubase 8. That's the first time in my Cubase experience-which goes back to SX- that former projects didn't work well with the new version.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 21:16:18 GMT -6
This pretty much sums up also my last experience trying a Cubase demo. I pretty much can instantly figure out how to make first steps in Reaper or Ardour/Mixbus, coming from Sonar, but stuff like Cubase or Ableton drives me nuts. I don't find even the most basic things... At least i'm not the only one having this prob with *some* DAWs... isn't cubase made by your native brethren? i'd think you'd take to it like a fish to water? Ha, that's what i thought, too. I used a much earlier Cubase version in the early 00's, and also glimpsed into Nuendo that time. Seems like much has changed in the meantime. I felt like an idiot trying to figure out creating a track and using a vst-effect. I was quite shocked and found everything very counter-intuitive.. This said, i could find my way into reaper or Ardour/Mixbus without taking a look into a manual. At least for basic things. Also had the chance to test protools once and had no problem with it. But Cubase and Ableton now are like books with seven seals to me... Dunno why. So i blame it on the developers. :-D
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Post by bradd on Sept 7, 2015 9:22:41 GMT -6
I've tried a bunch of DAWs over the years. I started with PTLE on a G4, loved the software but got tired of the limitations. I then dabbled with Cubase 5, which I thought was a nice program, but I never fully jumped in since I had some hardware problems with a computer a friend and I built. My next system was an ADK built PC running Samplitude 10. Great system and a great program. Of the DAWs I have used, I think it has the best audio editing. I used that system for nearly 7 years and it worked like a charm. However, I became concerned about the future of Samplitude and decided when I got a new computer that it was time to explore a new DAW. I was all ready to jump on a PT Native rig when the subscription model was announced. The uncertainty and what I perceived to be unjustifiable cost sent me back to the drawing board. I am a one man operation and create my own music. 99% of the time, I'm just recording myself. I decided to go with Logic Pro X on a Mac Book Pro. I spent about four months really studying the program with MusicTechHelpGuys videos and the manual. It has taken some time, but I am really enjoying the program.
There are a few things that I have learned about DAWs over the years that may or may not be helpful. First, you can accomplish everything you need to do with any of them. They each just have different ways of accomplishing the same things. Second, there is a learning curve to any DAW. You have to give yourself time to learn a new system if that is what you choose to do. To think that you can be proficient in a new DAW in a week is unrealistic. Finally, you have to figure out what DAW meets YOUR needs. Just because some famous producer uses X DAW and all of the big studios use Y DAW, doesn't mean that that is what you need.
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Post by jimwilliams on Sept 7, 2015 9:53:59 GMT -6
20 odd years later and people are still complaining about Pro Tools? Is it like that woman you just can't live without, even though it's a terrible marriage?
I kept the analog console/outboard and it's always working fine. That learning curve was over decades ago.
A couple of sayings seems to "sum" it all up: "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me". "Doc, it hurts when I raise my arm". You know the rest of the story.
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