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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 30, 2015 21:19:52 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 30, 2015 21:55:50 GMT -6
I've never used them, but they look kinda cool.
I see they're for helping to balance the mic stand. I know from my audiophile days that stiffer stands equal quieter reproduction, and individual instruments were more clearly defined within the soundstage, so maybe these would actually have a side benefit of dampening resonance?
It made me wonder how it would be to stick a sand bag or something similar around the base of a mic stand, and if that would help with the mic picking up stray vibrations.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 30, 2015 22:53:01 GMT -6
I've used them for years on tripod base stands although the Triad-Orbit stand I've started using doesn't require any. I'm also anal about shock mounting every mike.
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Post by Randge on Aug 31, 2015 7:03:48 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 31, 2015 8:11:24 GMT -6
Cool, Randy, Bob, good info.
I've been a bit too casual about mic placement. Being home alone, I have a tendency to just point and go. There's so many things to keep track of when you're the writer, the band, the engineer, the mixer, and then "mastering engineer", I put that in quotes because my mastering skills add up to a few plugs on the 2 bus !
Let us know if you get them Tony.
Bob, I googled the Triad-orbit stand, and watched a Sweetwater minute. It looks like a great design. It was mentioned that it's heavy, yet it doesn't look that much different than the typical 3 legged mic stand I'm using.Next time I stop by a store, I'll check them out. I'm excited that I might not need any extra damping or stabilizing if I get one.
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Post by Randge on Aug 31, 2015 8:32:37 GMT -6
They aren't cheap but they are very high quality and you'll love them, Martin. The one thing you can't do is reposition it a little without loosening the tension knob. It will cause them damage and they won't last long if you do that. That said, you shouldn't do that with any stands but we all have.
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 31, 2015 8:37:27 GMT -6
I have multiple sandbags, actually copper slag, (leftovers from my sandblasting tank, it weighs more than sand as far as i can tell?), i have it loaded in huge military surplus freezer bags, their tough, but they are getting old and look terrible, i think i may spring for the guys i linked...
btw, for decades i've used sandbags and/or weight lifting dumbbells to weigh all kinds of stuff down when recording, if you're looking for solidity in image, or rumble absorption, i haven't found anything that competes, they should callem smartbells 8)
Just for giggles take a pair of 45lb dumbbells and set them on top of a bass cab and listen, it's stunning the diff they can make.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 31, 2015 8:38:03 GMT -6
Thanks Randy, must admit, I'm occasionally guilty, as charged ;-)
I don't mind spending good money if something really works. Unfortunately, I have to keep borrowing my friend's KM-84's, as they really work, but their price is just a little too "good" for my teacher's budget..
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 31, 2015 8:59:30 GMT -6
If you over-tighten a tension knob and move it, you just need to loosen everything all the way up and sometimes loosen and re-tighten a little hex screw to get the bearings aligned and working properly again. The tension knobs adjust the bearings and not the boom directly like most booms.
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 31, 2015 9:12:55 GMT -6
I do not but I will now, cool, on my stands for the monitors because the ground is not totally flat.... thats a rest risk.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 31, 2015 9:17:25 GMT -6
Great tips Tony, Bob, thanks.
Tony, I'm going to try that next session! You're probably right about the copper being heavier than sand. When I had speaker stands in my home theater, I filled them with something called Power Points, which were these little steel triangles, and when I dumped out the sand I had in the stands, and put in the Power Points, man, everything just firmedup and locked into place. Tighter bass, better 3D imaging. I miss my home theater days, had to sell it all when I was ill to cover medical bills.
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Post by jazznoise on Aug 31, 2015 9:53:06 GMT -6
Mass loading a resonant system - like the hollow metal in a mic stand - will definitely dampen them. But as Bob is saying - you should shockmounting everything from that anyway.
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 31, 2015 10:11:56 GMT -6
it'd be interesting to see super slow mo- high def video of shock mounted mics in front of a high spl source, i'd bet that it wouldn't look great.?.?. I wonder if any shock mounts have suspension properties that provide some damping to absorb while isolating, in an effort to get the mic back to "still" quicker than others?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 31, 2015 10:48:51 GMT -6
That's an interesting thought Tony. Kinda like seeing those nature shows where a hummingbird hovering is slowed down..
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 31, 2015 10:57:38 GMT -6
The Triad-Orbit stand parts are all solid cast iron except for tubes that house a telescoping extension and even the extensions seem to be solid.
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Post by jazznoise on Aug 31, 2015 11:04:20 GMT -6
it'd be interesting to see super slow mo- high def video of shock mounted mics in front of a high spl source, i'd bet that it wouldn't look great.?.?. I wonder if any shock mounts have suspension properties that provide some damping to absorb while isolating, in an effort to get the mic back to "still" quicker than others? Easiest way would just be attach an omni mic to the inside of one of the chambers. You'd hear what the stand hears! |
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Post by winetree on Aug 31, 2015 11:05:07 GMT -6
I've got the old AKG tripod stands I've had for 35 years, They have a heavy base, they don't need sandbags.
Tony can attest to that. I've Never had one fall over.
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