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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 18, 2015 5:54:11 GMT -6
I have been creating backing tracks for a live show and do you have tips or tricks to speed up the programming? Do you use a fingerpad trigger, or drop the mp3 into the daw and use Steven Slate ' s trigger program? I am using Superior Drummer. Thanks.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 18, 2015 9:33:10 GMT -6
I do both. For me, it was about just commiting. I would try to do it all by myself and not be happy with the results...but just trying over and over has gotten me to a point that I'm confident with it. For more intricate ghost note patterns, I will search for midi loops - even if the pattern is wrong. Then I'll go in and move the kick and snare to where it needs to be. I use a Korg Padkontrol and that has been a big help with feel. EZ Drummer has a cool feature where you can play in the beat and it will find all the corresponding grooves that have the same beat - that's worth the price of admission. Then you can use whatever drum program you want.
Also check out the Slate Blackbird Drums. Absolutely the most realistic one out there.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 18, 2015 10:31:12 GMT -6
I do both. For me, it was about just commiting. I would try to do it all by myself and not be happy with the results...but just trying over and over has gotten me to a point that I'm confident with it. For more intricate ghost note patterns, I will search for midi loops - even if the pattern is wrong. Then I'll go in and move the kick and snare to where it needs to be. I use a Korg Padkontrol and that has been a big help with feel. EZ Drummer has a cool feature where you can play in the beat and it will find all the corresponding grooves that have the same beat - that's worth the price of admission. Then you can use whatever drum program you want. Also check out the Slate Blackbird Drums. Absolutely the most realistic one out there. Thanks John, have you used trigger by Steven Slate? I was going to try that to get my groove from the original recording, then just edit the drum pieces to my liking. I just got 2 SSD Drives for my mac and I am installing my software again. A nice fresh reinstall of all my software, very time consuming, and I can't wait to get back into it. I have EZ2 however the midi packs I have don't even come close to what I need. I just have to speed up my programming. Thinking about getting the Steven Slate BB, and a pad controller, but if I can use trigger to take the actual beat of the mp3, that I think would be a lot faster and I can focus on getting it to sound as close to the original recording as possible. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 18, 2015 16:49:43 GMT -6
I'm not sure I understand what you want to do with trigger. It just replaces sounds that are already there.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 18, 2015 18:18:50 GMT -6
I'm not sure I understand what you want to do with trigger. It just replaces sounds that are already there. I thought it triggered samples from audio from a mic, or from any audio source? If I put an mp3 with drums on it will it trigger the drum samples in my SSD4 or Superior 2.0? Not really sure, I might need to look this up and do some research. |
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Post by mobeach on Jun 19, 2015 10:11:22 GMT -6
A friend of mine that uses ProTools enters one drum note at a time, it takes him about 3 weeks to complete one song but the realism is very much there. Every measure has something different.
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Post by formatcyes on Jun 19, 2015 15:08:16 GMT -6
A friend of mine that uses ProTools enters one drum note at a time, it takes him about 3 weeks to complete one song but the realism is very much there. Every measure has something different. Is he mad?  and PT it kind of like has the worse midi editing system. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 19, 2015 15:23:41 GMT -6
I just started one in Toontrack today. Maybe I'll post a snippet. You just have to get in there and experiment. The process has gotten exponentially faster for me now...
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Post by formatcyes on Jun 19, 2015 15:41:33 GMT -6
I really like ED2 but as John posted it has a learning curve.
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Post by wiz on Jun 19, 2015 16:03:35 GMT -6
Trigger won't pick the drums out of a stereo track, if that what yer thinking.
It will pick the transient, though you can side chain , so you can exclude stuff.
It's probably Steven Slates greatest achievement I reckon.
Honestly, and I have over 28 years of midi drums programming experience, the quickest way I have found, is either buy a cheap acoustic kit , mic it , play it and then use trigger, or if you are going midi all the way, a cheap midi kit.
Of course it's all dependant on the music you make.
But I get to the end faster, and with much more enjoyment with real drums, even with my crappy playing.
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by mobeach on Jun 19, 2015 18:05:25 GMT -6
A friend of mine that uses ProTools enters one drum note at a time, it takes him about 3 weeks to complete one song but the realism is very much there. Every measure has something different. Is he mad? and PT it kind of like has the worse midi editing system. Your guess is as good as mine.  I'll program stuff on my DR-880 then give it some back bone. |
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Post by yotonic on Jun 19, 2015 19:00:02 GMT -6
I have a friend who does some drum programming for Dr. Luke/Katie Perry, and he does the same thing in Pro Tools, enters everything manually even though he's a drummer. But it doesn't take him three weeks. And then again a lot of that stuff is super simple and repetitive, and doesn't sound natural.
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 19, 2015 19:06:35 GMT -6
Play a base line and use the side chain for logics virtual drummer no one can get a basic pattern with realism faster than this.
I bought logc x only because of this feature.... they made it unbelievable good and the drum sounds are great too......
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Post by M57 on Jun 19, 2015 19:24:58 GMT -6
Play a base line and use the side chain for logics virtual drummer no one can get a basic pattern with realism faster than this. I bought logc x only because of this feature.... they made it unbelievable good and the drum sounds are great too...... I've done the same with a piano part (and not a Midi piano) - it really is quite amazing - If I don't like what the machine puts down, I move the Simple/Complex/Loud/Soft matrix dot a tad and/or alter the fill percentage. Once I get something I like, I drag it to another drum track where it converts to Midi, then further tweak it to taste with the piano roll. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 19, 2015 20:00:59 GMT -6
I will probably pick up a Korg PadKontrol to work my drum mojo. I would rather play the drums, but the electronic kits are so expensive, and good triggers and a nice tone brain aren't cheap either. I used to have a roland kit w/td-20 brain, but the cables drove me mad, cables everywhere. I don't have a huge room for an acoustic kit or an electronic kit.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 19, 2015 20:25:52 GMT -6
The only thing I can't do on the padkontrol are ghost notes...but I'm not a drummer and couldn't really play them on a real kit either...if I need something more funky and complex I usually drag in midi loops.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 19, 2015 20:26:25 GMT -6
Anybody ever used the Drumkat stuff? That looks really interesting to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 2:53:54 GMT -6
Anybody ever used the Drumkat stuff? That looks really interesting to me. A very good buddy of mine had a drumKAT controller the time we built up a midi studio. He is a good jazz drummer who knows his stuff on every drum set since he was 16 (when we had our first band together) and it was a very sturdy and reliable controller that worked pretty good. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 20, 2015 5:37:44 GMT -6
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Post by guitfiddler on Jul 3, 2015 15:18:56 GMT -6
36 month financing at Sweetwater is ruining me...lol. I got my Roland V-drum kit. It has been many years, but now my computer can handle the processing power in real time...stoked! I might even pick up a mic and preamp!
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and PT it kind of like has the worse midi editing system.
I'll program stuff on my DR-880 then give it some back bone.
