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Post by scumbum on Sept 6, 2013 16:44:42 GMT -6
So Yesterday I recorded some drums and while I was setting up , the snare for some reason was not wanting to tune . I messed with it for an HOUR and the damn thing would just not tune and I'd get it close , but it was still off a little . Well I was pissed after an hour , which usually I can tune the snare in 5 minutes , and I said screw it , I've wasted an hour I'm recording drums whether this damn snare wants to or not . So I recorded drums and got some great takes .
Today I listened to the tracks and the snare sounds bad.........great takes , but bad snare sound .
So I messed with tuning the snare again today and in 5 minutes I got it sounding good , no idea why yesterday it was such a pain .
I'm not a fan of samples , so I setup just the snare , miced it up and played along with the song and overdubbed the good tuned snare . Its a little off time of course , but I'm thinking , I can "Tab to Transient" and get the new snare lined up with the old one .
Not sure how this will sound , I'm thinking no one will be able to tell ??
Anyways , I'm wondering if anyone else has done this before , and if you have another method for fixing a badly tuned snare .
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Post by drumrec on Sept 6, 2013 17:43:38 GMT -6
A bad or poorly tuned snare is dead ending. Snare sound is what takes the longest to get right and in my opinion the most important thing (the heart of the drum kit). I find it very difficult how to replaca snare with all the ghost hits and the different nuances. Now I do not know what kind of style it is. A tip is to have its own favorite snare in the studio, when the customer brings his own snare drum that you can not tune (some snare drum sounds crap how hard you tune them, or they will go out of tune very quickly). hmmm ... my post did not drive the elaboration forwards with your question  Good luck for the next session scumbum! Cheers Håkan |
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Post by scumbum on Sept 6, 2013 18:25:30 GMT -6
A bad or poorly tuned snare is dead ending. Snare sound is what takes the longest to get right and in my opinion the most important thing (the heart of the drum kit). I find it very difficult how to replaca snare with all the ghost hits and the different nuances. Now I do not know what kind of style it is. A tip is to have its own favorite snare in the studio, when the customer brings his own snare drum that you can not tune (some snare drum sounds crap how hard you tune them, or they will go out of tune very quickly). hmmm ... my post did not drive the elaboration forwards with your question Good luck for the next session scumbum! Cheers Håkan Yes , very true , if theres alot of ghost notes , it would be very tough to replace the snare , if you could even do it . I forgot to mention I'm doing basic pop/rock , not really any ghost notes , just basic single snare hits and rolls , think Ringo/Weezer/Ramones....... I think it might turn out really good and its giving me some ideas with maybe overdubbing the snare with creative mic placements using condensers farther away since theres no phase , bleed , or cymbals . I don't need to gate the snare or anything . I'll post some audio clips soon . |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 6, 2013 19:14:17 GMT -6
You could duplicate the track and replace the snare, then mix it in with the original...
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Post by scumbum on Sept 6, 2013 20:29:23 GMT -6
You could duplicate the track and replace the snare, then mix it in with the original... Yeah thats pretty much what I'm gonna do , but instead of just replacing the snare with a sample , I overdubbed the snare , played along with the song playing just the snare drum and I'm gonna line up the hits with the original bad snare . Its pretty close in timing , but flams on some hits . |
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 6, 2013 20:54:36 GMT -6
Scum, that's funny, i've done that before, when you think it doesn't count, it removes the pressure to get it right, evoking a great unintended performance dough!!lol! Get crazy with a linear phase eq and compressor, find something good in that original snare track, parallel a copy track, tamp down the bad, and bring the good to the top! i bet it'll sound better than a "feel kill" replacement? i've managed to get some pretty bad sounding snares to acceptably presentable by doing this. replacement always sounds weird IMO
good luck with it
T
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Post by drumrec on Sept 6, 2013 22:11:38 GMT -6
Scum, did u mic under snare!?
/H
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Post by scumbum on Sept 6, 2013 22:34:47 GMT -6
Scum, did u mic under snare!? /H Yeah I did . I think the under snare is fine , its the top , it has bad ringing . |
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Post by drumrec on Sept 6, 2013 23:03:23 GMT -6
It should be easy to mix away. Send me a few bars to info@drumrec.com. So we'll see what I can do with the ringing snare  Cheers /H |
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Post by scumbum on Sept 9, 2013 10:51:32 GMT -6
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Post by btreim on Sept 9, 2013 10:59:57 GMT -6
Reamping a snare is super useful for this type of thing. Lay a guitar amp down with the speaker facing up, and put your freshly tuned snare on top of the speaker. Then just mic the new snare as usual and play the old snare through the amp. Sometimes, I find that it's useful to eq the amp so it's pretty mid rangy, so you get the most punch out of the speaker. That will take care of all your timing, and ghost note issues.
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Post by svart on Sept 9, 2013 11:07:13 GMT -6
I've done this before. boost a very narrow peak on the EQ and sweep it til you find the bad resonation in the ringing of the snare. Now, cut it. You can sweep around looking for the harmonics of the ring as well. Now, boost and sweep the low end til you find the thump. Tune the bottom snare EQ to get the cleanest wires sound. That should overshadow a bit of the ringing with the thump and buzz. Anyway, I listened to the track and the first thing that stuck out is the pitch shift that seemed to happen with the modified track. That's going to clash in the mix I think. The second thing was that I really didn't hear that big of a difference in the midrange ringing, it was just a little lower. What I did hear was some kind of supplementation on the bottom end. Another thing is don't use too much compression. I don't know how you mix, but tons of folks I know try to really compress the snare too much because they think it equates to making it sound "bigger", when they really should be using the compression to form a transient and using a touch of plate reverb for "bigger". I'm also going through this with the last project I recorded. The snare kept going out of tune during rehearsals but we thought we had it fixed. It turns out that it went out of tune during the recording and there isn't a chance of re-recording it. I'll have to either mess with it and hide it in the mix or re-track it myself. I refuse to use samples. |
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Post by drumrec on Sept 9, 2013 16:30:25 GMT -6
The second thing was that I really didn't hear that big of a difference in the midrange ringing, it was just a little lower. What I did hear was some kind of supplementation on the bottom end. It's true! I want to keep the midrange ringing on the snare, so I removed the worst ringing frequencies "in my opinion". Now it was not a direct revolutionary that I did. Just a little cutting and boosting for a little more body in the snare. It was much hihat sound in the snare mic that made it a little more difficult. For it was in the frequency range with some nice snare frequencies that I had to make sacrifice. But it compensates of overhead mics. Otherwise, I like when the snare has some harmonics / ringing sound. I often take away all moongel on snare when it is guitar-based music. The drums blend in better in the mix if they are a little dirtier. Sitting with such recording projects right now. So I can post some beats on big ringing snare that blends well with the song that I'm working on now for a client (unfortunately, I can not have the music with the drums). Will keep all the harmonics in the mix later and this is how it sounds when I let snare drum ring fully without moongel. This clip is very ambience / room sound ... www.dropbox.com/s/ytfq2vxgvbaatwt/Ringing%20Snare.mp3Attachments:Ringing Snare.mp3 (580.53 KB)
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 9, 2013 17:43:38 GMT -6
I'm probably speaking out of turn here because I'm no drummer. Hakkan is right of coarse but I know I won't have a snare that sounds anything close to what he has. So I've been layering them lately. Several different combos of sampled hits (sometimes 4 or 5 different ones to make what I want. Put em together and snap them to the grid. Then blend them in for volume. Seems to work.
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Post by scumbum on Sept 10, 2013 11:50:25 GMT -6
The second thing was that I really didn't hear that big of a difference in the midrange ringing, it was just a little lower. What I did hear was some kind of supplementation on the bottom end. It's true! I want to keep the midrange ringing on the snare, so I removed the worst ringing frequencies "in my opinion". Now it was not a direct revolutionary that I did. Just a little cutting and boosting for a little more body in the snare. It was much hihat sound in the snare mic that made it a little more difficult. For it was in the frequency range with some nice snare frequencies that I had to make sacrifice. But it compensates of overhead mics. Otherwise, I like when the snare has some harmonics / ringing sound. I often take away all moongel on snare when it is guitar-based music. The drums blend in better in the mix if they are a little dirtier. Sitting with such recording projects right now. So I can post some beats on big ringing snare that blends well with the song that I'm working on now for a client (unfortunately, I can not have the music with the drums). Will keep all the harmonics in the mix later and this is how it sounds when I let snare drum ring fully without moongel. This clip is very ambience / room sound ... www.dropbox.com/s/ytfq2vxgvbaatwt/Ringing%20Snare.mp3That snare sounds great ! I like the ringing of the snare . I do rock stuff and I like my drums to sound as natural as possible . The ringing helps the snare cut through guitars and have a place in the mix . |
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Post by drumrec on Sept 10, 2013 15:45:49 GMT -6
I'm probably speaking out of turn here because I'm no drummer. Hakkan is right of coarse but I know I won't have a snare that sounds anything close to what he has. So I've been layering them lately. Several different combos of sampled hits (sometimes 4 or 5 different ones to make what I want. Put em together and snap them to the grid. Then blend them in for volume. Seems to work. That's the beauty of the music today, there are so many opportunities to achieve their goals and there is no right or wrong! Now I use no samples for several reasons, while I can imagine that there are several options for you to affect the sound with so many samples. While I am more limited after tuned my drums for a special sound to any song and press rec, then there is no turning back once it is recorded! It is a time of possibilities we live in  |
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Post by drumrec on Sept 10, 2013 15:47:45 GMT -6
It's true! I want to keep the midrange ringing on the snare, so I removed the worst ringing frequencies "in my opinion". Now it was not a direct revolutionary that I did. Just a little cutting and boosting for a little more body in the snare. It was much hihat sound in the snare mic that made it a little more difficult. For it was in the frequency range with some nice snare frequencies that I had to make sacrifice. But it compensates of overhead mics. Otherwise, I like when the snare has some harmonics / ringing sound. I often take away all moongel on snare when it is guitar-based music. The drums blend in better in the mix if they are a little dirtier. Sitting with such recording projects right now. So I can post some beats on big ringing snare that blends well with the song that I'm working on now for a client (unfortunately, I can not have the music with the drums). Will keep all the harmonics in the mix later and this is how it sounds when I let snare drum ring fully without moongel. This clip is very ambience / room sound ... www.dropbox.com/s/ytfq2vxgvbaatwt/Ringing%20Snare.mp3That snare sounds great ! I like the ringing of the snare . I do rock stuff and I like my drums to sound as natural as possible . The ringing helps the snare cut through guitars and have a place in the mix . Thanks mate It may sound a little strange with just the drums. But with the music, the pieces fall into place. Will post with the music when it has come out, so you get a better overall picture of the sound that I have chosen. Speaking of ringing snare......  |
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 10, 2013 15:55:01 GMT -6
drumrec, sounds cool man!, actually sounds chambery, dark and wet. Nice job, like to hear it in context.
T
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Post by drumrec on Sept 11, 2013 13:49:17 GMT -6
drumrec, sounds cool man!, actually sounds chambery, dark and wet. Nice job, like to hear it in context. T I do not know when the release date is yet, just recording the first few songs. But if anyone would be interested, I can post a clip later. Good description of the drum sound Tony. More ringing snare 4 the people  |
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