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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2015 17:00:37 GMT -6
Check this out. I've got too much saturation going on and I'm pushing the input of the limiter too hard, but I'm still feeling my way around. Listen to what the 526/Burl combo does to the width...Crazy.
WITHOUT
https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/without-526-burl
WITH
https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/with-526-burl
So - I think the problem with too much saturation might be my use of the limiter (AOM Invisible Limiter) in the last step. Since the FC526's are reducing the transients, I can't judge how loud to push the limiter. So, I crushed it too much which led to some big saturation. (Or just regular radio loudness lol) Anyway, I might try and find a happy medium and post another.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2015 17:02:45 GMT -6
Bro Country: If you can't beat 'em, join 'em...
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Post by wiz on May 31, 2015 17:17:34 GMT -6
sounds great!
I even really like the tune... and I don't normally go for that kind of stuff.. I really really like everything about the 2nd version (the 526 and burl)
did you write it?
its begging for a lyric, "I might be Superman, but she's my Kryptonite" 8) (that might be in there already somewhere else?)
When you have 5, can you run that combo over the mix in that summing thread please?
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2015 17:23:02 GMT -6
Yeah - I'll do that tonight Wiz. You might be right on the lyric...not sure whether avoiding the superman thing is the cooler way to do it, or if it needs to be in there because, well, you know, superman and kryptonite. I guess it's kinda corn ball either way. Lol
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Post by wiz on May 31, 2015 17:27:00 GMT -6
Yeah - I'll do that tonight Wiz. You might be right on the lyric...not sure whether avoiding the superman thing is the cooler way to do it, or if it needs to be in there because, well, you know, superman and kryptonite. I guess it's kinda corn ball either way. Lol thanks man , look forward to hearing it... re corny... not sure if this is a American saying but, "in for a penny, in for a pound" which roughly means... might as well go all in... 8) if possible, would love to hear the whole finished tune... me and bro country, who woulda thunk? 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by RicFoxx on May 31, 2015 17:31:04 GMT -6
Love the Burl....Im trying to find a pair of 526's
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2015 18:49:59 GMT -6
I'll have to try without the 526's too. I don't remember the Burl making THAT much of a difference.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2015 18:51:22 GMT -6
Is it as dramatic as I'm hearing, or am I hearing things?
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Post by EmRR on May 31, 2015 20:04:08 GMT -6
526 version sounds 'excited' and squeezed together, the vocal sounds way out front without, and overall less bright, probably because of lower compression harmonic content.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2015 20:07:49 GMT -6
Yeah - I was surprised that the compressed one sounded brighter...Gonna have to adjust for that.
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Post by indiehouse on May 31, 2015 20:21:27 GMT -6
So I gather that a pair of the 526's are making for a great 2 bus comp?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2015 20:32:17 GMT -6
Yeah - definitely...Most of the time I don't even go with a 2 bus comp...so, I'm feeling my way around these for this application. I think I was probably getting a little too much compression going on - think it even hit -5 on a couple of transients. I could see using it either bypassing the gain reduction altogether or just taking off 1-3 dbs. Right now it sounds a little crushed to me - but I'm thinking that might be me over-using the limiter.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2015 20:33:44 GMT -6
I'd just like to add, these are perfect for 2 bus duty because the compression is so freaking transparent.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2015 20:38:59 GMT -6
526 version sounds 'excited' and squeezed together, the vocal sounds way out front without, and overall less bright, probably because of lower compression harmonic content. I didn't change anything other than running it through the outboard. Maybe I should skip the compressing because you're right, it does sound squeezed. Just run through the 526's without gain reduction...? |
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Post by delcampo on May 31, 2015 21:44:11 GMT -6
John, you may be very well aware but fwiw, I find when running out through a desk &/or HW I have to be very very careful about not hitting the input of the B2 to hot on re-capture. The result can compromise the latitude of the mix IME. Of course, gain staging can be tricky.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2015 22:07:52 GMT -6
Yeah - it was peaking at about 11-10ish...I definitely hear some unpleasantness - like saturation or something. But I was really amazed at how much more three dimensional it was. I'm hoping that the harshness is just a gain staging issue.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 1, 2015 0:06:08 GMT -6
OK. I'm about to admit something that is going to make me look like a TOTAL dumb ass. And depress us all at the same time. I think I might have had a stereo spreader on that HW file. It's the only explanation I can come up with. I'll usually add one on the master - yeah, I know, I know, real mixing guys poo poo it, but I like the sound in small doses. (apparently that wasn't a small dose though.) I think I might have accidentally had it on when I mixed that one down, because I've tried more than 4 times and no combination comes anywhere near that. Sigh. Now that file up there was waaay harsh, but I was hoping it was the hardware adding that width. Pretty sure it wasn't. Go ahead...kill me now.
Here's a new HW Mix without the Stereo Spread (and better gain staging)
https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/kryptonite-mix-6
And With Stereo Spread (I pulled it back a decent bit)
https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/kryptonite-sp
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Post by Randge on Jun 1, 2015 0:18:02 GMT -6
There isn't a one of us here that hasn't messed up. You caught it, and remedied it, so its all good.
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Post by Randge on Jun 1, 2015 0:21:21 GMT -6
I will sometimes use stereo spreaders. Not ashamed to admit it. They are useful when you need to clear room. They work great for making verbs stay out of the way of a lead vocal, too. I put them after the verb eq in the send.
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Post by swurveman on Jun 1, 2015 7:58:05 GMT -6
I'll have to try without the 526's too. I don't remember the Burl making THAT much of a difference. I'd enjoy hearing that. Ooops, posted before I saw the spreader thing. The spreader makes the snare punch more in the intro. Interesting how the vocal masks it. |
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Post by EmRR on Jun 1, 2015 8:36:02 GMT -6
Yeah - I was surprised that the compressed one sounded brighter...Gonna have to adjust for that. Seems normal to me, that's what every FET comp I've ever used does, especially when you hit it harder. That would show up for sure on program. In my book that's why you use them. |
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Post by jeromemason on Jun 1, 2015 11:14:33 GMT -6
Yeah - I was surprised that the compressed one sounded brighter...Gonna have to adjust for that. That's the FET although Jeffs does it far less than any other I've heard. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 1, 2015 13:34:50 GMT -6
Yeah - the 526 doesn't pinch at all.
I think it sounded brighter because I had the stereo spread so freaking spread out...and then hit it with the compressors and then pushed it up again with the limiter. Doh
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