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Post by mjheck on May 28, 2015 8:43:02 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on May 28, 2015 16:28:31 GMT -6
Great stuff, and thanks for submitting it. I have put the link to the file in the first post. Could you explain how you passed the audio through the 2192 please... I really like the sound of this. I found I had to drop the volume of the track by about -1.1dB to get it close enough for me for listening against the others. It will be really interesting when Johnkenn submits the Burl to hear it against this, as the same guy designed them IIRC. thanks again cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on May 28, 2015 16:37:26 GMT -6
I thought I would give an insight, into what "I" am sort of listening for in these tests, and what minutia I am using in my own mind to tell the difference.
Well, I sort of listen overall, and just try and catch the "Vibe"
After that I loop the section that is labelled Chorus 2 and solo, Bars 54 through 78.
I listen for firstly, where the snare is, in relation to the vocal, and if it feels sort of further back in depth than one of the other mixes... or how that feeling of depth is between them.
Then I listen to how the backing vocals sound, as they are hard panned L and R. and if they crowd in on the centre. Because apart from the Overhead Tracks, which are half way between left and right everthing else
is either L, C or R.
Then in the solo, because its a bit more open in the sonic arrangement, I listen again to the depth difference between the snare and the resonator.
Its interesting, that "today" I hear the same depth relationship, between the Delta Sum and now the 2192.
Its very interesting and really look forward to hearing , perhaps with Bar numbers so we can all dial in to the right spot quickly and easily, other peoples thoughts on what they hear in differnet sections.
Someone needs who has access, to split out the multi tracks onto a Neve and SSL so we can all hear how something we could never afford would sound 8)
cheers
Wiz
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Post by mjheck on May 29, 2015 13:42:08 GMT -6
Howdy Wiz,
Short answer - I imported your DAW bounce into Logic, put the I/O plug on the two bus at unity gain and did a real time bounce without normalization.
Longer answer - my 2192 is connected via ADAT (clock from 2192) to a BLA Mod Apollo, then Thunderbolt to an iMac. I do have my pan law in Logic set to "-3dB"
as opposed to the default "-3dB Compensated" but I wouldn't think that would matter for a stereo file, and if it did, I would expect it to be some variable of three.
I'm glad you find it pleasing and I'm not crazy. At my studio Apex I was mixing through a combo of Burl and Apogee conversion and some nice analog stuff
(1066's, API's, V72's, 672's, 176's, 1176's, 2A's and 3A's).
Over time I just kept simplifying - when I did a pretty thorough shoot out with matching analog and digital signals, I found it was the sound of the 2192 that I loved most.
Go figure.
As for listening, I've learned to note my visceral reaction. When my facial muscles tighten, its not good. When they relax, I'm on the right path.
MJH
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Post by wiz on May 29, 2015 17:46:51 GMT -6
Howdy Wiz, Short answer - I imported your DAW bounce into Logic, put the I/O plug on the two bus at unity gain and did a real time bounce without normalization. Longer answer - my 2192 is connected via ADAT (clock from 2192) to a BLA Mod Apollo, then Thunderbolt to an iMac. I do have my pan law in Logic set to "-3dB" as opposed to the default "-3dB Compensated" but I wouldn't think that would matter for a stereo file, and if it did, I would expect it to be some variable of three. I'm glad you find it pleasing and I'm not crazy. At my studio Apex I was mixing through a combo of Burl and Apogee conversion and some nice analog stuff (1066's, API's, V72's, 672's, 176's, 1176's, 2A's and 3A's). Over time I just kept simplifying - when I did a pretty thorough shoot out with matching analog and digital signals, I found it was the sound of the 2192 that I loved most. Go figure. As for listening, I've learned to note my visceral reaction. When my facial muscles tighten, its not good. When they relax, I'm on the right path. MJH thanks for the explanation man... the 2192 has been and still is a very great piece of gear.. cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jun 17, 2015 1:46:40 GMT -6
JohnkennCan you do the burl please? Cheers Wiz
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Post by scumbum on Jun 17, 2015 14:26:48 GMT -6
Thanks for doing this Wiz , its a cool song . You have an interesting original voice .
I only Listened to the Delta and ITB mixes .
The Delta sounded more solid and better .
So you ran test tones to level match each signal as it ran through the console and back into the computer ? Cool idea I gotta try it with my music .
Thanks again for the Melodyne !! Everytime I hit the transfer button and listen to my vocals sound like a Robot I think of you .
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Post by wiz on Jun 17, 2015 19:49:35 GMT -6
Thanks for doing this Wiz , its a cool song . You have an interesting original voice . I only Listened to the Delta and ITB mixes . The Delta sounded more solid and better . So you ran test tones to level match each signal as it ran through the console and back into the computer ? Cool idea I gotta try it with my music . Thanks again for the Melodyne !! Everytime I hit the transfer button and listen to my vocals sound like a Robot I think of you . Hey man, you are most welcome, I am glad it went to someone who needed/used it. cheers Wiz |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 18, 2015 21:38:56 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 18, 2015 23:04:22 GMT -6
Sorry guys - I'm trying to finish a song for a deadline...then I have two more to finish...I can possibly get to it tomorrow.
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Post by wiz on Jun 19, 2015 0:19:00 GMT -6
Sorry guys - I'm trying to finish a song for a deadline...then I have two more to finish...I can possibly get to it tomorrow. Hey no rush! just would love to hear it... 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 20, 2015 15:04:34 GMT -6
So - where is the raw file? I don't see it anywhere...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 20, 2015 15:07:17 GMT -6
Believe I found it...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 20, 2015 15:11:07 GMT -6
So - these are the raw files...I guess it's not mixed?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 20, 2015 18:26:04 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Jun 20, 2015 19:02:05 GMT -6
So - where is the raw file? I don't see it anywhere... Sorry for the confusion. The very first post in this thread, has links to the summing files I did, which includes a ITB sum, which you could use to do the two bus treatment. I see you already grabbed the track files. I am downloading them right now and will have a listen thanks heaps for doing that... will be really interesting to hear the burl and the 526 cheers Wiz |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 20, 2015 19:06:14 GMT -6
Man - I must have missed it - downloaded those files and looked...must've missed it. Anyway, I did a mix - so you should be able to hear - or not hear - any differences the hardware makes.
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Post by wiz on Jun 20, 2015 20:02:06 GMT -6
Man - I must have missed it - downloaded those files and looked...must've missed it. Anyway, I did a mix - so you should be able to hear - or not hear - any differences the hardware makes. got em downloaded and had a quick listen, gonna do more.. its really interesting. My first reaction is Burl. thanks again bud cheers Wiz |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 20, 2015 20:04:54 GMT -6
Cool song, btw...
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Post by wiz on Jun 20, 2015 20:08:48 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 13, 2015 13:50:09 GMT -6
Hey wiz, here's some files. I used the Svartbox for round trip DA/AD on the Chandler, Wooly Mammoth, and SVART Round Trip files. I used the SVART DA into a Focusrite 18i8 for that file, so you can hear the difference between the SVART and Focusrite AD stages. drive.google.com/open?id=0Bym1m85ha75Rfk4wazhTT0xKRjEwaDQyOE9keEk3VGQwMFpkYVRmdzRnVURFSllRczdzaEkI slapped these together fairly quickly and my man btreim just combined the mono files to stereo for me. I haven't even given them a proper listen yet. Hey Paul ( unit7), here are some Mammoth and Chandler sounds for ya buddie.  Settings...   |
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Post by wiz on Jul 14, 2015 1:15:11 GMT -6
Hey Jesse
thats really very cool.
I downloaded and had a quick listen, whats amazing is how different all of them are.
I have a project with all these different treatments in them, its really amazing.
I like each of them for different things, did you have a favourite?
cheers
Wiz
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 14, 2015 11:39:15 GMT -6
I haven't spent much time banging through them, but I think I actually like the Chandler the best. It seems to give the mix the most life to my ears. I'm planning on running it through a couple more pieces of gear, but finding the time is a pain.
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Post by scumbum on Oct 28, 2015 21:19:43 GMT -6
I did a listen again today , blind test , opened the session not knowing which was which.............and between the Delta and ITB , the ITB sounded better !!
So I change my answer . The ITB sounded like it was more solid with a better low end .
What converters are you using ? I wonder if the trip out was making the big difference .
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Post by wiz on Oct 28, 2015 21:43:21 GMT -6
I did a listen again today , blind test , opened the session not knowing which was which.............and between the Delta and ITB , the ITB sounded better !! So I change my answer . The ITB sounded like it was more solid with a better low end . What converters are you using ? I wonder if the trip out was making the big difference . Motu 16A must revisit my self.. cheers Wiz |
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