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Post by swurveman on May 17, 2015 17:11:25 GMT -6
Does anybody have one?
I listen to these youtube strat/blues shootouts and I always prefer the Two Rock to the Fenders. So, I'm interested. I heard they sold the company. So, I'm not sure if their quality has waned as they've become mass produced. And there's a big difference between the Studio Pro 22 Combo and their flagship Two Rock Classic Reverb head. Ideally, something like the combo would be a good investment, but I'd like to hear users experiences if there are any.
BTW: I had a guy come in to the studio today with a vintage Fender blueface Princeton. He told me he was at a house and a guy brought out the amp. He asked the guy what he would sell the amp for and the guy said "what I paid for it when I bought it" - $200.00. Love those kinds of stories.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 17, 2015 18:04:10 GMT -6
3rd Power is coming out with one called "Wooly Coats" which is kind've a Princeton-ish Blackface on steroids. The artist I just produced has one ordered - supposed to get it at the end of the month. Looking forward to hearing it.
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Post by ericn on May 17, 2015 18:20:22 GMT -6
Lots of boutique Dumble amps, best advice is do some research and watch the useual places for used amps, I almost picked up a used Allen head at the local GC a couple of months ago for $200.
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Post by swurveman on May 18, 2015 6:41:12 GMT -6
Thanks guys. Not any Two Rock guys here apparently. I wonder what people are using if/when trying to get that John Mayer sound. It's a bluesy clean with a bit of reverb, dirt and a smooth sustain.
BTW: Those Dumble amps are insane. I heard somebody playing through one and the clean sustain was so long. I'd never heard anything like it.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 18, 2015 8:32:55 GMT -6
There's a Dumble head and cabinet on eBay right now for the bargain price of 90k. Somebody better jump on that.
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Post by jimwilliams on May 18, 2015 9:24:47 GMT -6
Twenty plus years ago I got to play/hear a Dumble next to my 1966 Fender Deluxe reverb amp, with some mods and a pair of 6550 power tubes running at about 75 watts.
The Deluxe slayed the Dumble in all ways, clean or dirty. The Dumble was only $5000 back then, still way too much for a working musician that couldn't risk letting that amp get stolen out the back door of a seedy niteclub. I paid $160 for the Deluxe Reverb back in 1978. I still have and use it.
Most guitarists don't know that most all of these amps are variations of original 1950's era Fender amp designs. Re-inventing that wheel has been going on since the Blues Breaker JT-45 marshalls were released in the mid-1960's.
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Post by Ward on May 18, 2015 9:51:07 GMT -6
Since we're already off-topic... I hope I don't get m knuckles rapped for furthering the cause.
Want the Dumble ODS sound of "amp within an amp"? A Zen Drive 2 into a Dr.Z Maz. But then again, I think certain of the Dr. Z amps are the greatest amps ever made. But they have their sucky ones too.
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Post by popmann on May 18, 2015 20:44:32 GMT -6
Two Rocks are overrated....and honestly not very Fendery. They are all about power amp dirt--so they require shaking the walls--even their little Studio Pro 35 or whatever doesn't start to break up until you're shaking walls--but, yet it's cleans aren't as nice as good Fender amps.
Mayer's tone simply isn't hard....and it is, I guess if you don't play like that...it's simply a nice Strat into a nice 6L6 amp with that scooped middle tone stack that most Fenders have. You must turn it up to the line--the line where when you play lightly, it's clean and bell like, and barks when you dig in--all Fender amps have this line.
I use a Fralin VVT 1x15 combo. It will take 6L6 or 6V6....I nearly never used the V6s.
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Post by donr on May 19, 2015 4:11:30 GMT -6
6L6's are my favorite power tube. I like push-pull too.
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Post by popmann on May 20, 2015 22:28:40 GMT -6
I should clarify....they're lovely amps. The overrated bit should have been over PRICED....once you get into the boutique point to point world, $1500-2500 is kind of going for amps....except Two Rock. Is the main reverb head $7k? So, what I was really saying, was that they're not really better, in any way I can distinguish from new boutique or old Fender and Marshalls with some pretty simple mods....thus I'm not sure what you're paying 3x the price of already finished return amps for....
One thing I will give them--that little tiny 35wt combo is SMALL....and LOUD....like room fillingly loud, interesting combo. studio 35 or something? I could see that as a nice gigging amp for something who wants loud and clean and small. Even those, their budget line, and what $2700?
Anyhow...I re read that tonight and thought I, for once was maybe not verbose ENOUGH and might be taken wrong....
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Post by ragan on May 20, 2015 22:56:55 GMT -6
Since we're already off-topic... I hope I don't get m knuckles rapped for furthering the cause. Want the Dumble ODS sound of "amp within an amp"? A Zen Drive 2 into a Dr.Z Maz. But then again, I think certain of the Dr. Z amps are the greatest amps ever made. But they have their sucky ones too. I'm curious to know what their 'sucky' ones are. Not being sarcastic. I've only played a few but they've all impressed me, quality wise, even if they aren't the vibe I'm going for. Which ones do you think are duds? |
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Post by Ward on May 21, 2015 5:28:55 GMT -6
Since we're already off-topic... I hope I don't get m knuckles rapped for furthering the cause. Want the Dumble ODS sound of "amp within an amp"? A Zen Drive 2 into a Dr.Z Maz. But then again, I think certain of the Dr. Z amps are the greatest amps ever made. But they have their sucky ones too. I'm curious to know what their 'sucky' ones are. Not being sarcastic. I've only played a few but they've all impressed me, quality wise, even if they aren't the vibe I'm going for. Which ones do you think are duds? I think the Carmen Ghia is a dud, despite some guys love of it, the Therapy doesn't really have that creamy vibe or a distinct voice, the Z28 isn't a very flexible amp and honestly when you consider what the Maz series can do with much more flexibility... why bother? Some others in the line-up are a case of just changing powertubes, not leaving me jumping for joy. But there are some tremendous tone generators like the Maz Jr/18 and Sr/38, the Stangray, the Monza, the Galaxie, the Z-Wreck and the Z-Lux. JMHO!! |
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Post by palermo on May 25, 2015 13:50:39 GMT -6
What two-rocks and fender's are you using? I have a 1965 Vibrolux a 1968 Princeton Reverb, a Two Rock 10th Anniversary and a Two Rock studio pro plus 22 and the two rock clean while different then the fenders which I also love is every bit as good. John Mayer's quintessential clean tone is the two rock clean not the Fender Clean. While every amp maker may have borrowed from Leo the two-rock definitely has its own thing. Ive vey gone through dozens of great sounding boutique amps and I think two rocks are the best I've used. I'd like to think this is the amp Leo would be building if he was around today  Two Rocks are overrated....and honestly not very Fendery. They are all about power amp dirt--so they require shaking the walls--even their little Studio Pro 35 or whatever doesn't start to break up until you're shaking walls--but, yet it's cleans aren't as nice as good Fender amps. Mayer's tone simply isn't hard....and it is, I guess if you don't play like that...it's simply a nice Strat into a nice 6L6 amp with that scooped middle tone stack that most Fenders have. You must turn it up to the line--the line where when you play lightly, it's clean and bell like, and barks when you dig in--all Fender amps have this line. I use a Fralin VVT 1x15 combo. It will take 6L6 or 6V6....I nearly never used the V6s. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 25, 2015 17:01:17 GMT -6
This is terrible quality video, but those bell like tones are just killer. A lot of it is the low impedance scooped PU's though...
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Post by swurveman on May 25, 2015 17:18:21 GMT -6
What two-rocks and fender's are you using? I have a 1965 Vibrolux a 1968 Princeton Reverb, a Two Rock 10th Anniversary and a Two Rock studio pro plus 22 and the two rock clean while different then the fenders which I also love is every bit as good. John Mayer's quintessential clean tone is the two rock clean not the Fender Clean. While every amp maker may have borrowed from Leo the two-rock definitely has its own thing. Ive vey gone through dozens of great sounding boutique amps and I think two rocks are the best I've used. I'd like to think this is the amp Leo would be building if he was around today Two Rocks are overrated....and honestly not very Fendery. They are all about power amp dirt--so they require shaking the walls--even their little Studio Pro 35 or whatever doesn't start to break up until you're shaking walls--but, yet it's cleans aren't as nice as good Fender amps. Mayer's tone simply isn't hard....and it is, I guess if you don't play like that...it's simply a nice Strat into a nice 6L6 amp with that scooped middle tone stack that most Fenders have. You must turn it up to the line--the line where when you play lightly, it's clean and bell like, and barks when you dig in--all Fender amps have this line. I use a Fralin VVT 1x15 combo. It will take 6L6 or 6V6....I nearly never used the V6s. Hey palermo. Welcome to the forum. I have a Mojave Coyote HG for my Vox sound and am very interested in the Two Rock. I will strictly be doing studio work. So, will the single speaker pro plus 22 fit the bill? |
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Post by wiz on May 25, 2015 17:25:13 GMT -6
What two-rocks and fender's are you using? I have a 1965 Vibrolux a 1968 Princeton Reverb, a Two Rock 10th Anniversary and a Two Rock studio pro plus 22 and the two rock clean while different then the fenders which I also love is every bit as good. John Mayer's quintessential clean tone is the two rock clean not the Fender Clean. While every amp maker may have borrowed from Leo the two-rock definitely has its own thing. Ive vey gone through dozens of great sounding boutique amps and I think two rocks are the best I've used. I'd like to think this is the amp Leo would be building if he was around today Two Rocks are overrated....and honestly not very Fendery. They are all about power amp dirt--so they require shaking the walls--even their little Studio Pro 35 or whatever doesn't start to break up until you're shaking walls--but, yet it's cleans aren't as nice as good Fender amps. Mayer's tone simply isn't hard....and it is, I guess if you don't play like that...it's simply a nice Strat into a nice 6L6 amp with that scooped middle tone stack that most Fenders have. You must turn it up to the line--the line where when you play lightly, it's clean and bell like, and barks when you dig in--all Fender amps have this line. I use a Fralin VVT 1x15 combo. It will take 6L6 or 6V6....I nearly never used the V6s. Welcome to the forum @polermo I have never even seen a two rock amp in person, but I wanted to say... I am in love with your vibroverb and princeton... 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by palermo on May 25, 2015 19:23:59 GMT -6
Hi all,
Thanks for the warm welcome.
Swerveman, the studiopro 22 is a great amp, I'd go for the plus if your getting a combo as I think the larger cab eliminates the potential for boxiness and the trem circuit is very sweet. Don't let anyone tell you different, as someone who's played a number of two-rocks, the studio pro line is fantastic and definitely has that quintessential clean tone. The 22 is ideal for recording and I love the way 6v6s break up. I often use a royer 122 and a u67 about a foot away with great results.
If your playing with a drummer and you want plenty of clean headroom say for jazz then I'd go for a 50 watt or better two rock.
Johnkenn, that clip is awesome, I know some people hate Mayer and I'm not a huge fan of all his music but I think he is a phenomenal guitarist both on the electric and the acoustic. His electric tone is beatiful and you can tell he cares about the sounds that go onto his records. And most of his songs, love em or hate em show some very good songwriting craftmesnhip imho
Tim, The Bassman is an incredible amp, while the cleans are different then the more scooped shimmery blackface cleans they are equally beautiful. Check out a 65 Jtm 45 with a half stack of pre role greenbacks. Anyone who thinks Marshall can't do clean needs to listen to that amp which is really a modded Bassman. Still kt66s are a long way from kt88s. tell us more about the 88s in your Bassman circuit
Wiz, thanks, I love vintage fender amps. It's amazing to me how good these Amps sound today.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 12, 2015 17:51:50 GMT -6
We have a pair of Two-Rock artists playing their signature series amps here at Chan's tonight. Matt Schofield and Tomo. Sound check sounded killer. Should be in for a treat tonight.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 13, 2015 18:01:29 GMT -6
The neck on that strat is perfect! Love it. Great amps and good choice of Klone too. Seems like you've got very fine taste in gear.
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