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Post by mobeach on May 10, 2015 15:40:40 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on May 10, 2015 20:23:53 GMT -6
Bah humbug! Pats RULE!!
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Post by ragan on May 10, 2015 22:10:13 GMT -6
They are a really good team. And without all the cheating, I'd even be able to respect them! Then again, I live in Seattle. Why we didn't pound Beast Mode in for the second SB victory I will NEVER KNOW! Still hurts...
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Post by Ward on May 11, 2015 6:20:49 GMT -6
They are a really good team. And without all the cheating, I'd even be able to respect them! Then again, I live in Seattle. Why we didn't pound Beast Mode in for the second SB victory I will NEVER KNOW! Still hurts... awww...poor muffin. LOL The whole deflate thing is just beyond stupid. Anyone who buys into this obviously never played 'hand-egg' (football) because throwing a slightly deflated ball is a pain in the ass and doesn't travel as far or accurately as a properly inflated one. Plus there's the whole grip thing. When properly inflated, the 'laces' just fit your fingers perfectly and don't get caught as you release the 'egg' which can throw off your accuracy by 3 to 5 degrees. And one of Brady's strengths is his deadly accuracy.
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Post by swurveman on May 11, 2015 8:07:42 GMT -6
....I think of Giselle this, Giselle that
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Post by tonycamphd on May 11, 2015 8:36:04 GMT -6
They are a really good team. And without all the cheating, I'd even be able to respect them! Then again, I live in Seattle. Why we didn't pound Beast Mode in for the second SB victory I will NEVER KNOW! Still hurts... awww...poor muffin. LOL The whole deflate thing is just beyond stupid. Anyone who buys into this obviously never played 'hand-egg' (football) because throwing a slightly deflated ball is a pain in the ass and doesn't travel as far or accurately as a properly inflated one. Plus there's the whole grip thing. When properly inflated, the 'laces' just fit your fingers perfectly and don't get caught as you release the 'egg' which can throw off your accuracy by 3 to 5 degrees. And one of Brady's strengths is his deadly accuracy. That's why Brady likes them deflated, because it makes the grip worse... Really? I like the cheaters, I was routing for them over the very cocky Seahawks who shouldn't have even been there(GB blew it, and the perfectly defended ball from the sky dropping into the lap of that SS receiver at the end of the SB was ridiculously lucky, the Pats pick at the end was an all time great football play!), that said, Pats=cheaters, plain/simple 8) Eagles would have beat them in 05 if they weren't stealing their plays! Pats=cheaters! Brady knew, the Pigskin flew! 8)
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Post by ragan on May 11, 2015 8:42:21 GMT -6
They are a really good team. And without all the cheating, I'd even be able to respect them! Then again, I live in Seattle. Why we didn't pound Beast Mode in for the second SB victory I will NEVER KNOW! Still hurts... awww...poor muffin. LOL The whole deflate thing is just beyond stupid. Anyone who buys into this obviously never played 'hand-egg' (football) because throwing a slightly deflated ball is a pain in the ass and doesn't travel as far or accurately as a properly inflated one. Plus there's the whole grip thing. When properly inflated, the 'laces' just fit your fingers perfectly and don't get caught as you release the 'egg' which can throw off your accuracy by 3 to 5 degrees. And one of Brady's strengths is his deadly accuracy. This isn't true. QB's and RB's have a long history of trying to soften the ball just a titch. It's an advantage. It's not, by any stretch, a main reason why the Patriots win, but it is cheating. They'll never get punished like Barry Bonds or Sammy Sosa or whoever because they're the NFL's Golden Team, but their image is solidly tarnished to the rest of the country.
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Post by mobeach on May 11, 2015 10:35:24 GMT -6
The rest of the country needs to look at the link I posted. Let he who is without sin cast the first football :-)
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Post by ragan on May 11, 2015 11:24:48 GMT -6
The rest of the country needs to look at the link I posted. Let he who is without sin cast the first football :-) Yeah I checked it out. Certainly no other teams are spotless. My own Hawks had several PED issues a couple years ago. The Patriots just cheat in kind of dramatic ways (Spygate for example). A real head scratcher to me because they don't need to cheat to be a top tier team. Much as I don't like them, Brady and Belichick are some of the greats at what they do. They don't need to cheat to win games. I guess it just goes to the parity in the NFL. Teams will cheat for even the smallest advantage (like slightly grippier footballs) because the difference between the best and worst NFL team is so slight.
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Post by mobeach on May 11, 2015 12:37:09 GMT -6
The rest of the country needs to look at the link I posted. Let he who is without sin cast the first football :-) Yeah I checked it out. Certainly no other teams are spotless. My own Hawks had several PED issues a couple years ago. A real head scratcher to me because they don't need to cheat to be a top tier team. Much as I don't like them, Brady and Belichick are some of the greats at what they do. They don't need to cheat to win games. That's been my point all along, they killed Indy twice by running the ball, but they're being accused of cheating in that game (AFC Championship) because the balls were deflated. Every QB has their preference.
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Post by ragan on May 11, 2015 13:40:48 GMT -6
Yeah I checked it out. Certainly no other teams are spotless. My own Hawks had several PED issues a couple years ago. A real head scratcher to me because they don't need to cheat to be a top tier team. Much as I don't like them, Brady and Belichick are some of the greats at what they do. They don't need to cheat to win games. That's been my point all along, they killed Indy twice by running the ball, but they're being accused of cheating in that game (AFC Championship) because the balls were deflated. Every QB has their preference. Not that surprising. It's as big (or bigger) an advantage for a RB to have a softer ball. Bunch of people have done various statistical analyses of Pat's impossibly low fumbling percentage. I have no idea if any of them are valid. But it's a known edge for RB's to have a softer ball. Whatever. I'm not passionate about it. They got caught cheating again. Huge surprise. It's not the main reason they win a lot.
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Post by tonycamphd on May 11, 2015 13:54:07 GMT -6
Deflating definitely falls in with a host of other sports cheat misdemeanors like, hockey stick over bending, pitcher vaseline on the hat, scuffing the ball, corking the bat. But "play" stealing is a sports felony that the Pats are guilty of, should've been a MUCH bigger deal imo, the Eagles defensive players were blown away with how the Pats seemed to know every defensive play call to a T when they played in SB 39- 2005. After the whole Jets debacle in 07, and the fines against Belichick, they weren't so bewildered by it anymore.
It doesn't even matter if they did it or not, the problem with being caught cheating is it sully's your reputation permanently, it's the chance you take when you cheat, they could've won fair and square, but the damage is done, and everyone has it in the back of their mind..... Cheaters!?!?!?! Like it or not, Patriots=cheaters in the minds of the majority, Pats fans better get used to the "*"
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Post by mobeach on May 11, 2015 14:07:00 GMT -6
The officials were certainly checking the balls in the Superbowl where the Patriots beat the best team in the league fair and square.
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Post by ragan on May 11, 2015 14:16:18 GMT -6
The officials were certainly checking the balls in the Superbowl where the Patriots beat the best team in the league fair and square. Yep. Given the scrutiny of their most recent cheating scandal, I bet the Pats weren't cheating at all. And they certainly earned that SB win.
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Post by mobeach on May 11, 2015 15:55:53 GMT -6
4 games, 2 draft picks and $1 Million. WTF
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Post by ragan on May 11, 2015 16:29:40 GMT -6
4 games, 2 draft picks and $1 Million. WTF Saints got 2 games for the bounty hunting, which wasn't actively trying to get an illegal advantage. This is the second high profile cheating thing for the Pats in recent history. Plus with Kraft being so close to Goodell and demanding an apology before the SB, Goodell probably felt he has to prove he's not being partial to his favorite little team. It'll get appealed. We'll see how many downs Touch Down Tom actually misses.
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Post by mobeach on May 11, 2015 16:50:17 GMT -6
Who saw Brady deflate the balls? And who has proof he knew? Nice justice system.. If his name was Hillary he could simply say "What difference does it make" and get away with it
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Post by ragan on May 11, 2015 17:09:38 GMT -6
Who saw Brady deflate the balls? And who has proof he knew? Nice justice system.. If his name was Hillary he could simply say "What difference does it make" and get away with it You're right. No conclusive proof, but what there is is pretty damning. Specifically the txt messages. Have you read the exchanges? It doesn't quite prove he was directing it, but it's really hard to swallow the idea that he wasn't. In an organization like the Pats? Strains credulity. That wouldn't of course do it in a courtroom, thankfully, but this isn't the justice system. This is the dirty, corporate NFL, where you can get 4 games for smoking a joint and none for beating the shit out of your girlfriend. Goodell just licks his finger and sticks it in the wind. And the Pats, his buddies, were being defiant and cheating again and again. Probably threatened his manhood or something. That's the world you agree to when you play in the NFL. Just have to try and soothe the wounds with that shitload of money and adoration. Edit: I can't stand Goodell, for the record. He's beyond arbitrary and capricious. But I can think of an easy way to not subject yourself to his craziness: stop getting caught cheating!
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Post by jayson on May 12, 2015 6:27:58 GMT -6
I'm kind of surprised that any one team would have enough access to the ball to deflate it prior to a game. Shouldn't the league regulate that sort of thing? I would think it's the responsibility of the officials to be sure that the equipment is up to spec at game time. Might be cheating on the part of the Pats, but the abject negligence of the league can't really be discounted for making it even remotely possible.
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Post by Ward on May 12, 2015 9:42:38 GMT -6
MY understanding of 'football' (which should be called hand-egg) is that both teams USE THE SAME (EXPLETIVE) BALL!!
Or have I been playing it wrong all these years?
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 12, 2015 9:59:58 GMT -6
Who saw Brady deflate the balls? And who has proof he knew? Nice justice system.. If his name was Hillary he could simply say "What difference does it make" and get away with it You're right. No conclusive proof, but what there is is pretty damning. Specifically the txt messages. Have you read the exchanges? It doesn't quite prove he was directing it, but it's really hard to swallow the idea that he wasn't. In an organization like the Pats? Strains credulity. That wouldn't of course do it in a courtroom, thankfully, but this isn't the justice system. This is the dirty, corporate NFL, where you can get 4 games for smoking a joint and none for beating the shit out of your girlfriend. Goodell just licks his finger and sticks it in the wind. And the Pats, his buddies, were being defiant and cheating again and again. Probably threatened his manhood or something. That's the world you agree to when you play in the NFL. Just have to try and soothe the wounds with that shitload of money and adoration. Edit: I can't stand Goodell, for the record. He's beyond arbitrary and capricious. But I can think of an easy way to not subject yourself to his craziness: stop getting caught cheating! Do the text messages specify that he's deflating the balls after they've been legally checked by the league refs? He just got a needle to soften the balls before the game. Who's to say he's not deflating to where Brady likes them before the refs check them? To give a 4 games suspension, pull 2 draft picks, and the fine, is completely out of line for having no hard evidence. Do I think my team was cheating? Hell yeah I do. Do I think they were caught? Nope. If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!
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Post by tonycamphd on May 12, 2015 10:40:13 GMT -6
Good fine, glad it happened, smacked their dicks down in the dirt 8) They've been caught cheating a couple times now and they deserve it, u guys had an unbelievable run, now get back down in the basement with Grogan and stay there, "it puts the lotion on its skin". Prepare ur selves for the new era, where Chip Kelly takes the reins from the Pats and leaves the the cheaters in the dirt! Or he gets linched by eagles fans at years end lol
*New England Patriots 2014 Super Bowl Campions * *=Cheated!
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Post by ragan on May 12, 2015 10:45:55 GMT -6
MY understanding of 'football' (which should be called hand-egg) is that both teams USE THE SAME (EXPLETIVE) BALL!! Or have I been playing it wrong all these years? In the NFL, each team has their own footballs. Within the 1lb or so range set by the rules, they can have it wherever they want.
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Post by ragan on May 12, 2015 10:48:01 GMT -6
You're right. No conclusive proof, but what there is is pretty damning. Specifically the txt messages. Have you read the exchanges? It doesn't quite prove he was directing it, but it's really hard to swallow the idea that he wasn't. In an organization like the Pats? Strains credulity. That wouldn't of course do it in a courtroom, thankfully, but this isn't the justice system. This is the dirty, corporate NFL, where you can get 4 games for smoking a joint and none for beating the shit out of your girlfriend. Goodell just licks his finger and sticks it in the wind. And the Pats, his buddies, were being defiant and cheating again and again. Probably threatened his manhood or something. That's the world you agree to when you play in the NFL. Just have to try and soothe the wounds with that shitload of money and adoration. Edit: I can't stand Goodell, for the record. He's beyond arbitrary and capricious. But I can think of an easy way to not subject yourself to his craziness: stop getting caught cheating! Do the text messages specify that he's deflating the balls after they've been legally checked by the league refs? He just got a needle to soften the balls before the game. Who's to say he's not deflating to where Brady likes them before the refs check them? To give a 4 games suspension, pull 2 draft picks, and the fine, is completely out of line for having no hard evidence. Do I think my team was cheating? Hell yeah I do. Do I think they were caught? Nope. If the glove don't fit, you must acquit! They don't totally specify that. They just talk about how one guy (who refers to himself as "The Deflator") is really stressed cause it's hard to get a shot at the balls. He also jokes about how Tom Brady better hook him up with more jerseys and shoes or he's gonna INFLATE the balls.
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 12, 2015 10:57:43 GMT -6
Good fine, glad it happened, smacked their dicks down in the dirt 8) They've been caught cheating a couple times now and they deserve it, u guys had an unbelievable run, now get back down in the basement with Grogan and stay there, "it puts the lotion on its skin". Prepare ur selves for the new era, where Chip Kelly takes the reins from the Pats and leaves the the cheaters in the dirt! Or he gets linched by eagles fans at years end lol *New England Patriots 2014 Super Bowl Campions **=Cheated! Chip Kelly is going to take over as the Pats head coach when Belichick retires.
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