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Post by lolo on Aug 31, 2013 5:10:17 GMT -6
Anyone here using Cubase 7? Thoughts?
Would imagine lot of you guys are on pro tools. I have just always been on cubase, really enjoy the work flow. Not the DAW pretty good.
now considering to upgrade to C7 from C5
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Post by timmyboy on Aug 31, 2013 6:03:40 GMT -6
Im also someone who has always used cubase. Funny thing is - when I was a lot younger - I downloaded a cracked version of cubase (I was too young to know better, had no money, and just wanted to make recordings). Due to learning cubase at a young age - this carried through to me as an adult paying my hard earned cash to buy full versions of the software. Some of these companies need to consider that "piracy" has a few positives too, as not only was I unable to afford the product as a kid (which means they didn't lose a sale from me downloading it) - I probably would have ended up being a protools guy once I had it forced onto me at college - and it was only for the fact that i took part in the crime of downloading it that I was indoctrinated enough to still be using cubase till this day.
Off topic, but interesting.
I updated to cubase 7 about 6 months ago. To be honest - I haven't really had the time to jump into any of the 'big new features' yet - such as chord track etc. I upgraded from cubase 5 and haven't even tried out any of the version 6 features yet either. I am particularly interested in the drum editing features that where introduced in 6.5 - as I do a lot of drum editing. I am kinda scared of anything that promises automated drum editing - as I find even beat detective in protools to not be as good as the old manual chop and move method. All the music I do is very real sounding drums, so a balance of accuracy and realism with NO ARTIFACTS is very important. But I am curious to investigate cubase 7's editing tools.
The interface is very nice looking. I have seen people around the web complaining about the look of the mix console - but I love it. Its not just the look though, they have greatly improved the workflow of it. Using cubase 5 - I found myself constantly switching between the mixer and the main project view - and only having one monitor , it was a real pain in the ass. As soon as I started using cubase 7 - I found tht I no longer was switching between views while mixing - finally I can stay on the mixer window and complete the mix, finding every control I need in front of me. They really have made the UI of the mix console very customizable too - and the layout feels a lot more like you are using a real mixer - except that it's a mixer with more features than any mixing console in existence. I actually feel like its changed the whole way I mix, and led to me having better results. I know this is purely a psychological thing - but loading up a template that has Waves NLS, Waves SSL E-Channel, and a Waves API EQ on each channel - I can get a mix sounding almost done in half an hour - because it's inspired me to use a very minimal amount of good processing while I am imagining that I'm on a real console, using only trim, EQ, compression, gates, and pan.
I also noticed that after I updated cubase 7 to the latest version - the insert section of the mix console completely changed - and it's extremely easy to drag, and copy plugin inserts around onto different tracks. Just keeps getting better.
There is still lots more for me to discover about Cubase 7 - but the couple mixes I have done so far - I have done better, and I do believe it's the workflow enhancements, and overall feel of the UI. I'm actually feeling more a difference than the last time I purchased a hardware interface!
In terms of stability - I have seen some people complaining about the performance of the software. But I know enough about how software and hardware work together to know that it's usually either a crappy system, or a poorly setup system that is to blame. If one person can have a flawless experience with a software product, and another person doesn't - well it seems logical that the difference in those two situations is the user and the machine the software is installed on. I use cubase 7 on Mac and PC - and it runs solid on both. Build a machine in which all hardware components are chosen for audio production (even if using Mac OSX), dedicate it to Audio, remove all that junky third party software that came with the machine and isn't related to the operating system itself (HP CPU performance management system monitor etc etc.) don't use the machine as a porn surfing machine, and in general - don't let it get clogged up with all sorts of shit that your kids and wife want to install! (but this is the better computer dad, I need to use this one!). Learn everything you can about audio routing (from a hardware perspective) - I know guys who are great at producing music, but think that If a plug fits into a socket - then you don't have to worry about what the signal level is. If everything is well thought out and correctly configured (including all the software panels for your audio interface) - then Cubase 7 performs like the dream it was designed to be.
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Post by lolo on Aug 31, 2013 6:58:46 GMT -6
Thanks for the great response timmyboy.
Better workflow is a big one for me. And if heard guys say its better in Cubase 7. Some of the new stock plugs look cool as well. I'm mostly using 3rd party plugs. But from what i've read is that there is a bigger variety
And yeah for me the mixer looks amazing. Looks like a console.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 31, 2013 9:50:06 GMT -6
I cut my teeth on Cubase. I have Cubase 7, Logic X and PT 10...I mostly use PT's because - well, everyone else uses it - and I like the audio editing better than any other software. BUT - I could be happy in Cubase 7. It's been pretty solid for me with what little I've used it. One reason I haven't committed to using it is that I'm totally behind on how to use comping. I just can't commit to sitting down and learning all the ins and outs of it. And once you get used to certain keyboard shortcuts, it's a pain to try to use the others - although I've switched the Cubase keyboard shortcuts to Pro Tools presets...but there are still a lot of differences.
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Post by LesC on Aug 31, 2013 15:26:13 GMT -6
I've been using Cubase exclusively since Logic went Mac-only. I've found it to be very stable since around SX3, which convinced me to get rid of 3 of 4 ADAT XT20's. I recently went to Cubase 7, I like the look, and the stability is the best yet. I've stopped using other Steinberg software (and hardware), with a long list of products that I bought and enjoyed and are no longer supported. But combined with UAD2 and Waves and Slate plugins, and various others, I'm thoroughly enjoying Cubase 7.
My college teaches audio engineering using Protools, because the college audio labs are sponsored by Avid. All the professors have Protools in their studios, because clients demand that they have it. None of them actually use it, and some haven't even installed it. They all use Cubase instead. I have no experience with Protools, so I don't know if these professors are crazy, but I don't feel deprived using Cubase.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 31, 2013 22:37:25 GMT -6
I don't at all think Cubase is an inferior product...in many cases I think it's better than PT. But the workflow is just easier for tracking to me. Maybe it's because I'm used to PT's, but I really wish Cubase had a smart tool like PT's. Love being able to crossfade, fade, drag, adjust volume, etc without having to ctrl click...
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Post by lolo on Sept 1, 2013 0:09:17 GMT -6
See I've never tried PT. but the Cubase workflow is second nature for me.
And I've heard its even better in C7. Think its time to upgrade.
Also read that theres alota extra virtual instruments. And the mixer looks super cool :-)
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 2, 2013 7:39:18 GMT -6
I cut my teeth on Cubase. I have Cubase 7, Logic X and PT 10...I mostly use PT's because - well, everyone else uses it - and I like the audio editing better than any other software. BUT - I could be happy in Cubase 7. It's been pretty solid for me with what little I've used it. One reason I haven't committed to using it is that I'm totally behind on how to use comping. I just can't commit to sitting down and learning all the ins and outs of it. And once you get used to certain keyboard shortcuts, it's a pain to try to use the others - although I've switched the Cubase keyboard shortcuts to Pro Tools presets...but there are still a lot of differences. I have the exact same DAW's as you but I use Cubase almost exclusively unless a session comes in in another. You mention the comping in Cubase. I find it soooo easy and intuitive. That's probably the main reason I stay with it. Such a time saver once you catch on. IMO, way better than the comping in PT. But it could be that I'm so used to Cubase. Been with Steinberg since 95.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 2, 2013 20:27:03 GMT -6
Actually, when I record myself, I don't ever comp. I just sing it section by section until I'm happy with it. I've worn off the decals on my Frontier Designs Tranzport...
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 6, 2013 19:04:26 GMT -6
I just started a project in C7...It's running fine, but I swear I might switch over to PT's...I haven't worked in Cubase in so long, the workflow is killing me...
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Post by joey808 on Sept 7, 2013 8:17:01 GMT -6
I own and sometimes use Cubase, Logic, Ableton and Studio One but always default back to Protools.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 7, 2013 10:09:42 GMT -6
Yeah - I use Cubase because it has some VST's and plugs that don't work in PT's...but ultimately...Also, its kind of weird - I was compressing a snare in C7 and I swear it wasn't reacting the same as in PT's...That kind of stuff freaks me out and makes me nervous...
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Post by popmann on Sept 7, 2013 13:13:47 GMT -6
i am on Cubase6. I see nothing of benefit in 6.5 or 7, unless one is going to integrate a Nuage controller.
I am actually considering building a new hexcore DAW while Win7+C6 is still viable on new hardware. Audio production is mature. External IO compensation in Cubase works well. PDC is rock solid. Vst3 means I can turn real knobs for all virtual knobs.
I just don't see what they can change that I'll care about. Better summing? They could build in some of the things I need third party solutions for, I guess. Some Siri like voice control for assistant tasks. But, again-already own the third party solution. This is why both they and Avid are chasing the "new market engineers" and trying to make the transformation Apple has made from engineering based software to music creation assistant. I'm old school. Done. Irrelevant to their marketing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 0:19:09 GMT -6
I'm on 6.5. 7 didn't seem necessary for me. The hit points and quantize panel were amazing when it came out.
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Post by lolo on Nov 11, 2013 7:14:52 GMT -6
Just upgraded to C7. Waiting on the new E-licenser to arrive How do you guys on Cubase 7 find the new channel strip? useful? Sound?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 10:17:24 GMT -6
How does the channel strip sound?
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Post by lolo on Nov 12, 2013 16:21:39 GMT -6
Dont know yet. Still waiting on E-licencer. Somewhere over the seas now
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Post by popmann on Nov 12, 2013 17:00:10 GMT -6
Wtf changed with the elicenser? When I upgraded from 4-6...I used the same one. I don't remember if it came with a code...or how exactly it worked, but it was just a license change. If you're telling me they've moved to "v2" of the physical...I need to know--I own two of the old ones--came with cubase and VSL...I've moved all the licenses to one, keeping the second as a backup...have an extra ilok2, as well...but...
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Post by LesC on Nov 13, 2013 15:42:28 GMT -6
No change, I've upgraded through many versions of Cubase (7.06 now) with no new dongle required. Mind you, my first Cubase (I can't remember the version) used a parallel printer port dongle, and I still have it. Does that make me a hoarder?
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 23, 2013 8:53:37 GMT -6
I opened up Cubase last night because I needed to add VB3 (which doesn't come in RTAS) and man, it just kinda felt right...and I swear kinda sounded different if not better. I know, I know, probably not...Think I might build my next song in Cubase, though.
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