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Post by indiehouse on Apr 2, 2015 17:23:37 GMT -6
ive heard some guys say that monitoring at low volumes minimizes room interaction, frequency response, peaks, nulles, etc.
Is that true?
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 2, 2015 18:16:36 GMT -6
yes, the louder your monitors they more you energize and excite the room or just monitor at very low levels.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 2, 2015 18:41:27 GMT -6
yes, but you have to keep in mind the Fletcher Munson curves, the lower your levels, the weaker the apparent loudness of the lows and highs will be. Mixing at approximately 83db is the perfect monitoring volume, it will give you the most common level that most people listen to music, thus allowing you to mix accurately to the level most people will enjoy your music.
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 2, 2015 18:48:16 GMT -6
yes, the louder your monitors they more you energize and excite the room or just monitor at very low levels. Sorry, no offending but its not true. A room shows in a low SPL measurement very similar faults as @ 82 db SPL. There is no shortcut treat the room and it is not hard to do with a few houndred dollars and two hands. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 2, 2015 19:19:03 GMT -6
Fair enough but how apoarent is that relative to the direct sound from the monitors ? Wouldn't it be proportionate ?
I wasn't suggesting no treatment just lower volumes .
I understand the room is a constant but the monitors are introducing energy into the room in the form of sound waves, so isn't louder more energy and softer less and wouldn't less mean you are more aware of the direct sound less aware of the room sound ?
I am not arguing with you but curious about the physical properties of acoustics and postive correlations ( assumed on my part) to volume increases at the monitoring position ?
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 2, 2015 19:20:09 GMT -6
yes, the louder your monitors they more you energize and excite the room or just monitor at very low levels. Sorry, no offending but its not true. A room shows in a low SPL measurement very similar faults as @ 82 db SPL. There is no shortcut treat the room and it is not hard to do with a few houndred dollars and two hands. In the broad sense, he's correct, it's a simple function of physics, the more spl, the more the room/ space is excited, the lower the spl's, the less the room/space is excited, it's about energy, the excitement varies across the frequency spectrum of course, and the tradeoff of Fletcher Munson, and sensitivity of your monitors is a huge consideration. Of course the best action is to dial your room acoustics in and monitor at about 83db generally, less spl if you're doing easy listening music, more spl if you're doing metal, but IF your room sucks, turn down and gauge what you're hearing by comparing music you like at that volume. |
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 2, 2015 20:10:46 GMT -6
yes, the louder your monitors they more you energize and excite the room or just monitor at very low levels. Sorry, no offending but its not true. A room shows in a low SPL measurement very similar faults as @ 82 db SPL. There is no shortcut treat the room and it is not hard to do with a few houndred dollars and two hands. This is what I assumed, that my room nulls and peaks will be the same regardless of volume. So, then that's true, right? I have built and stuffed as much broadband/bass traps/superchunks as I can fit in my room, and I'm still sitting in a gigantic hole around 70-100 hz. It's so frustrating. Moving my monitors only slightly shifts the frequency of the hole. But it's still a hole. |
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 2, 2015 20:52:32 GMT -6
Sorry, no offending but its not true. A room shows in a low SPL measurement very similar faults as @ 82 db SPL. There is no shortcut treat the room and it is not hard to do with a few houndred dollars and two hands. This is what I assumed, that my room nulls and peaks will be the same regardless of volume. So, then that's true, right? I have built and stuffed as much broadband/bass traps/superchunks as I can fit in my room, and I'm still sitting in a gigantic hole around 70-100 hz. It's so frustrating. Moving my monitors only slightly shifts the frequency of the hole. But it's still a hole. My advise .... I had a horrible room too. Everybody told me to not make it near dead sounding. In the end this was the only solution. Massive Base trapping in all corners.... 30 cm thick rockwoll on the wall behind the speakers completly .... Maybe the room is near dead.... but you can mix in it..... |
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