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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 1, 2015 5:18:13 GMT -6
my one reservation about the blue cap is that I don't have enough dough to build another mk-u47 just to put in the red cap so I could really appreciate the differences!
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Post by dandeurloo on Apr 5, 2015 13:49:38 GMT -6
I have both in my mics. The blue line is better.
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Post by aremos on Apr 5, 2015 14:51:44 GMT -6
Has anyone used/put a Neumann K47 capsule on this mic?
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 5, 2015 15:21:06 GMT -6
I think tony might be putting one in his.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 5, 2015 17:17:38 GMT -6
I think tony might be putting one in his. Yes, aremos , that's what i'm doing, i will post some samples up before i send the mic to Shannon at mic rehab, and then to cat5 for a once over, then i'll put up some new samples when i get it back all tuned up. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 5, 2015 17:58:54 GMT -6
I think tony might be putting one in his. Yes, aremos , that's what i'm doing, i will post some samples up before i send the mic to Shannon at mic rehab, and then to cat5 for a once over, then i'll put up some new samples when i get it back all tuned up. Let me get this straight, you're building a U47 clone, with a genuinne Neumann k47 cap, then shipping it off to be modded by Shannon? Are the Neumann caps not good or something? I don't understand the need to have the brand new, fresh cap modded. I understand that Shannon is a mic boss, but isn't Neumann a bit of an expert in their caps too? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 5, 2015 18:05:53 GMT -6
Not sure what Tony's answer is, but the K47 is tweakable as opposed to the M7...so maybe Tony wants Shannon to get it where he thinks its the shit...
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Post by aremos on Apr 5, 2015 18:09:16 GMT -6
Yes, aremos , that's what i'm doing, i will post some samples up before i send the mic to Shannon at mic rehab, and then to cat5 for a once over, then i'll put up some new samples when i get it back all tuned up. Let me get this straight, you're building a U47 clone, with a genuinne Neumann k47 cap, then shipping it off to be modded by Shannon? Are the Neumann caps not good or something? I don't understand the need to have the brand new, fresh cap modded. I understand that Shannon is a mic boss, but isn't Neumann a bit of an expert in their caps too? Yes ... that's what I meant - a genuine, new Neumann K47 capsule. I guess I would be curious to how it compares with any of the Thiercsh's (unadulterated also BTW). Thanks, Ariel |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 5, 2015 18:11:35 GMT -6
Me too!
BTW - I think this is a cap that was pulled out of something else...but maybe I'm making that up...that right, Tony?
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Post by drew571 on Apr 5, 2015 18:13:14 GMT -6
i just put a thiersch blue line in an m49 clone. that's the shit.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 5, 2015 20:42:27 GMT -6
Me too! BTW - I think this is a cap that was pulled out of something else...but maybe I'm making that up...that right, Tony? yes, shannon has a real neumann K47 he's going to dial in for this mic. Shannons take on the K47 from neumann is "they are very good". But they are still a $600 capsule that someone puts together on an assembly line at a price point, with a "build this ?00 many" order sheet from the boss in front of them. They are not built with the microphone where they are going to be placed "in hand". Shannon doesn't just build and skin capsules, you have to send him the whole mic or he won't do it as far as i know. IMO Shannon is the best at taking whatever complete MICROPHONE you hand him, and squeezing every last bit of nuanced potential out of it, it doesn't matter if it's a CV4 or an original Ela m251. In this case we're trying to build a beast U47 clone that is exceeding special, we'll see if we can pull it off? I have a few experiments up my sleeve for this one 8) Then it goes to cat5 for his assessment and expert tweaking, then Shan can do his cleanup batter grand salomy! We will document all tweaks, parts and their EXACT values to the slightest detail along the way. I cant wait to get started on this one! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 5, 2015 21:19:28 GMT -6
oooh an uber 47 with the tsc5 option !
keep us posted !
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Post by svart on Apr 6, 2015 8:43:28 GMT -6
I have a real M7(PVC), a real M9(mylar, what the Redline is a clone of) and now a blueline M7(PVC). I'd say that there is only a slight difference between the M9 and the Blueline. I'd say that the Blueline is a bit cleaner than the authentic M7(maybe age, dunno) and more in line with the newer M9 capsule.
If I were to grade these for clarity it would be M9 > Blueline > M7. For mojo it would be M7 > Blueline > M9.
That being said, I don't think there will be that great of a difference between the Blueline and the Redline if the only difference is the skin material.
I still think that the circuit/tube/tranny have a lot more to do with the overall tone of the mic than the capsule. I think capsule tweaks are simply tailoring more to the circuit rather than fixing a "problem".
As for me, I'm so delighted with the Blueline in my U47, when I get around to doing a M49, I'm going to use another blue line.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 6, 2015 11:15:10 GMT -6
I have a real M7(PVC), a real M9(mylar, what the Redline is a clone of) and now a blueline M7(PVC). I'd say that there is only a slight difference between the M9 and the Blueline. I'd say that the Blueline is a bit cleaner than the authentic M7(maybe age, dunno) and more in line with the newer M9 capsule. If I were to grade these for clarity it would be M9 > Blueline > M7. For mojo it would be M7 > Blueline > M9. That being said, I don't think there will be that great of a difference between the Blueline and the Redline if the only difference is the skin material.
I still think that the circuit/tube/tranny have a lot more to do with the overall tone of the mic than the capsule. I think capsule tweaks are simply tailoring more to the circuit rather than fixing a "problem". As for me, I'm so delighted with the Blueline in my U47, when I get around to doing a M49, I'm going to use another blue line. Hmmm, IME with a Redline and Blueline, living for weeks in the same exact mic exhibited quite the differences in character(so did the others i tried). IME, the capsule is without a doubt the single biggest influencing factor in a condenser mic. In my world the impact list is as follows, 1. capsule, 2. tubes, 3. tranny, 4. PSU, 5. everything else, but they all indeed have their impact on the sound. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 6, 2015 11:33:16 GMT -6
Cat5 posted clips a while back of the same diy mk-u47 he just switched in the blue/red. There was a difference but hard hard for me to characterize . Maybe he will chime in too ?
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Post by watchtower on Apr 6, 2015 16:55:15 GMT -6
I have a real M7(PVC), a real M9(mylar, what the Redline is a clone of) and now a blueline M7(PVC). I'd say that there is only a slight difference between the M9 and the Blueline. I'd say that the Blueline is a bit cleaner than the authentic M7(maybe age, dunno) and more in line with the newer M9 capsule. If I were to grade these for clarity it would be M9 > Blueline > M7. For mojo it would be M7 > Blueline > M9. That being said, I don't think there will be that great of a difference between the Blueline and the Redline if the only difference is the skin material. I still think that the circuit/tube/tranny have a lot more to do with the overall tone of the mic than the capsule. I think capsule tweaks are simply tailoring more to the circuit rather than fixing a "problem". As for me, I'm so delighted with the Blueline in my U47, when I get around to doing a M49, I'm going to use another blue line. By real M9 do you mean a genuine M7 that came in an M49? I didn't think any Neumann M7 used mylar |
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Post by svart on Apr 6, 2015 16:58:12 GMT -6
I have a real M7(PVC), a real M9(mylar, what the Redline is a clone of) and now a blueline M7(PVC). I'd say that there is only a slight difference between the M9 and the Blueline. I'd say that the Blueline is a bit cleaner than the authentic M7(maybe age, dunno) and more in line with the newer M9 capsule. If I were to grade these for clarity it would be M9 > Blueline > M7. For mojo it would be M7 > Blueline > M9. That being said, I don't think there will be that great of a difference between the Blueline and the Redline if the only difference is the skin material. I still think that the circuit/tube/tranny have a lot more to do with the overall tone of the mic than the capsule. I think capsule tweaks are simply tailoring more to the circuit rather than fixing a "problem". As for me, I'm so delighted with the Blueline in my U47, when I get around to doing a M49, I'm going to use another blue line. By real M9 do you mean a genuine M7 that came in an M49? I didn't think any Neumann M7 used mylar The gefell M9 was their mylar version of the M7. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 6, 2015 17:00:37 GMT -6
So the Red is like the M9 and the Blue like the M7 ?
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Post by svart on Apr 14, 2015 11:06:36 GMT -6
So the Red is like the M9 and the Blue like the M7 ? A little info here from a 3rd party website about the Gefell/Neumann capsules. www.gefell-mics.com/capsules.htmBut yes, the red is like the M9 and the blue is the M7. |
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