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Post by ericn on Mar 29, 2015 14:30:17 GMT -6
I'm finding it hard to justify the cost of HD native and upgrading from 8 to 12! Figure $2800 plus 2 Digilink minis !
I could just through a pair of used lynx AES16 PCI in the magma and go PT software!
No I'm not going Cubase Randy , I think I just got a a Indy film or 2 to post based on having PT so switching programs is a no go!
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Post by carymiller on Mar 29, 2015 14:43:17 GMT -6
I'm finding it hard to justify the cost of HD native and upgrading from 8 to 12! Figure $2800 plus 2 Digilink minis ! I could just through a pair of used lynx AES16 PCI in the magma and go PT software! No I'm not going Cubase Randy , I think I just got a a Indy film or 2 to post based on having PT so switching programs is a no go! I did something similar a ways back. I'm a longtime Cubase and PT user so when I got out of HD rigs I swapped back to both and started building my own PC's. Technically you can make a Pro Tools HD rig on PC (uncommon, but it happens), but I still found the costs so prohibitive Vs snagging up other gear I actually needed that I just couldn't justify it. Cubase 8 currently has all of the functionality of PT HD and then some for a fraction of the cost. And PT 11 at least lets me import HD sessions and consolidate them. I wind up mixing in both environments a lot...though when it's high track counts I typically swap to Cubase. |
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Post by ericn on Mar 29, 2015 15:06:36 GMT -6
I'm finding it hard to justify the cost of HD native and upgrading from 8 to 12! Figure $2800 plus 2 Digilink minis ! I could just through a pair of used lynx AES16 PCI in the magma and go PT software! No I'm not going Cubase Randy , I think I just got a a Indy film or 2 to post based on having PT so switching programs is a no go! I did something similar a ways back. I'm a longtime Cubase and PT user so when I gout of HD rigs I swapped back to both and started building my own PC's. Technically you can make a Pro Tools HD rig on PC (uncommon, but it happens), but I still found the costs so prohibitive Vs snagging up other gear I actually needed that I just couldn't justify it. Cubase 8 currently has all of the functionality of PT HD and then some for a fraction of the cost. And PT 11 at least lets me import HD sessions and consolidate them. I wind up mixing in both environments a lot...though when it's high track counts I typically swap to Cubase. Thanks Cary, Again if I do it it will be PT software because that's what the clients want, the Computer is a MAC PRO 1 upgraded to 1.1 with 2 quad cores and a Magma PCIe to PCI chassis . It is comparable to the last 8 core MAC PROS on geekbench! |
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Post by carymiller on Mar 29, 2015 16:00:58 GMT -6
I did something similar a ways back. I'm a longtime Cubase and PT user so when I gout of HD rigs I swapped back to both and started building my own PC's. Technically you can make a Pro Tools HD rig on PC (uncommon, but it happens), but I still found the costs so prohibitive Vs snagging up other gear I actually needed that I just couldn't justify it. Cubase 8 currently has all of the functionality of PT HD and then some for a fraction of the cost. And PT 11 at least lets me import HD sessions and consolidate them. I wind up mixing in both environments a lot...though when it's high track counts I typically swap to Cubase. Thanks Cary, Again if I do it it will be PT software because that's what the clients want, the Computer is a MAC PRO 1 upgraded to 1.1 with 2 quad cores and a Magma PCIe to PCI chassis . It is comparable to the last 8 core MAC PROS on geekbench! NP Eric. I would just go with PT...but be prepared for the occasional session which goes over 32 I/O and 96 Virtual Tracks. I actually started on Cubase...so I've always had a license for both. I've also always had much better luck with Steinberg's Customer service on the few occasions I've needed it over Digidesigns. For larger sessions...Cubase has proven to be the superior software, but I've always had to have a PT system of some kind around for the psychological fact that uneducated American's view PT as being the "only" solution. Much like most people only really know to buy MP3's from iTunes. Etc. There is a brand name recognition factor that you can't escape. However...owning a second DAW has it's merits. Logic is increasingly being used by top level clients in the Major Label Dance market for one. But Cubase or Logic both would be decent choices if eventually you find you need a second system if only for the superior MIDI programming offered by both systems. PT has honestly, very few real advantages over either system...though I'm in the camp that believes all DAW's also have a "sound"...so there's reason enough for me to keep it for that alone. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 29, 2015 16:29:45 GMT -6
Pro tools is by an incredibly huge margin, thee professional standard, it's way easier to use for some, and those are huge reasons why many want to stay with it. To each his own of course, but Eric did say he's sticking with PT, so lets respect that by not having the same ole "my daw is better" rants shoved down his throat.
Eric, i'm going with a pair of Lynx AES16e's for my new set up, trying to go HD was an over the top expensive pita for me as you know(since you helped me out big time). You already have PTHD right? so you can STILL use it to full effect with the lynx cards i think, you should not be limited by any track count limitations afaik, honestly even for a film, i cant imagine ever using more than 32 analog ins/outs at once anyway, you still get 128 instrument and 512 midi count to boot. How much is it for you to upgrade to 12 and then let it go? If they don't try to hit you for 9,10 and 11, thats what i would do. I'm going to upgrade to 12 at years end, and learn logic in the meantime, then i'll see where everything lands a year or 2 after that and make a decision at that time.
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Post by ericn on Mar 29, 2015 17:21:48 GMT -6
Tone my man,
First HD I/O and track count only with HD HD Native or HDX cards, my problem is this $1300-1500 to get to 10HD ! Then $1000-1300 to get a HD Native card then $100-150 for a pair of Digilink mini to Digilink cables.
I just bought a Lynx AES16 PCI card for $250 I can find an affordable Non HD 10-11 lic and swallow $200 a year to stay current !
I went HD because I was spending to much time explaining why I wasn't HD Now I'm spending time explaining why I'm HD8 and not 11-12 PT. I figure I get this going buy a 2009 MP send it to you to re chip and give the kid my machine!
Then if I need it I find the coin to go HD Native
I might Keep the HD 8 rig Magma chassis and cards are cheap get a PCIMA card and MacBook Pro with PCIMA card and have a HD tracking rig!
My plan is
HD 8 lic on Ilok 1
PT 12 on Ilok 2
Plugs on. Ilok 3
That way I can sell either easy
For those that don't understand it if you keep PT 9 and later on a Ilok alone on its own acct with a disposable email acct. you sell the Ilok and the email acct with the physical Ilok ! That way the asset can be updated !
Don't know why so many haven't figured this out.
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Post by tasteliketape on Mar 29, 2015 18:35:29 GMT -6
On my other thread Alto music has a deal for protools 10,11,12 with a fast track for 319 dollars you get all 3 license
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Post by swurveman on Mar 30, 2015 9:11:29 GMT -6
I'm finding it hard to justify the cost of HD native and upgrading from 8 to 12! Figure $2800 plus 2 Digilink minis ! I could just through a pair of used lynx AES16 PCI in the magma and go PT software! No I'm not going Cubase Randy , I think I just got a a Indy film or 2 to post based on having PT so switching programs is a no go! Unless I'm mistaken, the only problem you'll encounter with going with the Lynx/PT software route ( I have RME/PT11 software) is monitoring during tracking. You won't be able to directly monitor cue sends for example from the PT software interface like you're used to. So, you have to go back and forth between your PT screen and your Lynx screen. This didn't bother me, but it bothered my partner when he had to transition to my system from his PT/Avid interface system. You also have to enable low latency monitoring, and then turn it off when mixing or you won't be able to use hardware inserts, because enabling low latency monitoring disables hardware inserts. This is why I prefer Cubase when I do my own projects, which has Asio Direct Monitoring. It is much more user friendly than PT for people using non Avid interfaces. I still use Pro Tools for customers that ask if I have it, but it is less user friendly imo during the tracking phase. EDIT: I saw Tony's post about you having Pro Tools HD. So, perhaps you may be able to use the HD software and do your your cue sends directly from the software interface. I always assumed that "Pro Tools HD" meant the software and the hardware. There are so many configurations that it gets confusing. |
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Post by ericn on Mar 30, 2015 10:17:32 GMT -6
I'm finding it hard to justify the cost of HD native and upgrading from 8 to 12! Figure $2800 plus 2 Digilink minis ! I could just through a pair of used lynx AES16 PCI in the magma and go PT software! No I'm not going Cubase Randy , I think I just got a a Indy film or 2 to post based on having PT so switching programs is a no go! Unless I'm mistaken, the only problem you'll encounter with going with the Lynx/PT software route ( I have RME/PT11 software) is monitoring during tracking. You won't be able to directly monitor cue sends for example from the PT software interface like you're used to. So, you have to go back and forth between your PT screen and your Lynx screen. This didn't bother me, but it bothered my partner when he had to transition to my system from his PT/Avid interface system. You also have to enable low latency monitoring, and then turn it off when mixing or you won't be able to use hardware inserts, because enabling low latency monitoring disables hardware inserts. This is why I prefer Cubase when I do my own projects, which has Asio Direct Monitoring. It is much more user friendly than PT for people using non Avid interfaces. I still use Pro Tools for customers that ask if I have it, but it is less user friendly imo during the tracking phase. EDIT: I saw Tony's post about you having Pro Tools HD. So, perhaps you may be able to use the HD software and do your your cue sends directly from the software interface. I always assumed that "Pro Tools HD" meant the software and the hardware. There are so many configurations that it gets confusing. 99% of mixing and monitoring is done on the Status so no big deal! I Still would have a low latency software mixer on the lynx but no plugins , Plus keeping The HD rig with HD8 means for the most part I can low latency with plugins if that's what the client wants and some do! And those are the easy money making sessions ( honestly a smaller laptop rig would be nice for those) Plus buying the ALTO rig means I can do quick simple stuff on my current MacBook on the fly! ( great if I'm doing more film and sweetening stuff that I really find quick easy and no reason to sit down at the big rig! The Promise of PT12 and cloud sharing and AVID everywhere is going to mean more quick fix work ! More and more I see the console and such as the fun stuff and the cleaning up quick fixes and A for V as the money. |
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