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Post by carymiller on Mar 26, 2015 16:47:59 GMT -6
I've tried both on a few occasions, even had a Mytek on loan at one point.
I'm just curious how many of you prefer one over the other in terms of overall sound quality. To me the Hilo feels more "up front" but I'm not sure if this is a good or natural sounding thing. Anyways...I know the 8x192 has more I/O, but just in terms of running 96kHz or 88.2kHz sessions...which would you pick and why?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 26, 2015 19:40:40 GMT -6
I had a Hilo a couple of years ago and from what I remember, it was super transparent. I ended up "not liking" it as much as the Symphony because the Symphony seemed to add a little bottom end bump...Never tried the Mytek. But I put not liking in quotes because really, all the stuff in this range is excellent. I currently have a Burl. carymiller - have you seen the ADDA svart is building in the DIY section? I think both will be about $400. He's using the best chips and all that jazz. Really great sounding transparent piece.
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Post by RicFoxx on Mar 27, 2015 6:47:50 GMT -6
Johnkenn are you still using the symphony or are you using the Apollo. I bought an Apollo Twin for one of my performance arts centers and I dislike it a lot.
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Post by dandeurloo on Mar 27, 2015 7:01:01 GMT -6
I'm mixing a record recorded off of an Apollo now and everything sounds strange. It sounds like old motu stuff which isn't a great thing. Sounds lifeless, dull and strangely uneven. I'm not blaming that all on the Apollo but I do think it has part to do with it.
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Post by RicFoxx on Mar 27, 2015 8:09:56 GMT -6
dandeurloo this is what I'm finding...man what a disappointment because it's a great idea (workflow.) I guess I will just go ahead with the Motu 16a.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 27, 2015 9:02:24 GMT -6
Johnkenn are you still using the symphony or are you using the Apollo. I bought an Apollo Twin for one of my performance arts centers and I dislike it a lot. I use the Burl into the Apollo and an RM DA.
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Post by dandeurloo on Mar 27, 2015 11:35:55 GMT -6
Like I said I can't blame it all on the Apollo because I have know idea how it was tracked. But all the tracks have a very weird sound to them. It gives me the feeling it comes from the Apollo but I can't blame it 100% on the gear.
I have my 16a modded by BLA and I can say the DA side is for sure very good. I still need to do more testing on the AD side. I have been using the RM AD mostly. Once I get more time I will do some more ABing.
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Post by carymiller on Mar 27, 2015 14:21:44 GMT -6
I had a Hilo a couple of years ago and from what I remember, it was super transparent. I ended up "not liking" it as much as the Symphony because the Symphony seemed to add a little bottom end bump...Never tried the Mytek. But I put not liking in quotes because really, all the stuff in this range is excellent. I currently have a Burl. carymiller - have you seen the ADDA svart is building in the DIY section? I think both will be about $400. He's using the best chips and all that jazz. Really great sounding transparent piece. Thanks Johnkenn I left a few posts in Svart's thread...I'm sincerely interested in what he's trying to design for sure.
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Post by carymiller on Mar 27, 2015 14:24:55 GMT -6
Like I said I can't blame it all on the Apollo because I have know idea how it was tracked. But all the tracks have a very weird sound to them. It gives me the feeling it comes from the Apollo but I can't blame it 100% on the gear. I have my 16a modded by BLA and I can say the DA side is for sure very good. I still need to do more testing on the AD side. I have been using the RM AD mostly. Once I get more time I will do some more ABing. Dan, how much did a modded 16a run you? If the DA is competitive to the Symphony as people are saying that's a big deal. I'm selling my console and probably going to be moving to a Great River Mixmaster 20 due to space limitations and to speed up workflow. So having 24 I/O, with at least some mastering grade conversion is going to be a must.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 27, 2015 14:38:10 GMT -6
Like I said I can't blame it all on the Apollo because I have know idea how it was tracked. But all the tracks have a very weird sound to them. It gives me the feeling it comes from the Apollo but I can't blame it 100% on the gear. I have my 16a modded by BLA and I can say the DA side is for sure very good. I still need to do more testing on the AD side. I have been using the RM AD mostly. Once I get more time I will do some more ABing. Dan, how much did a modded 16a run you? If the DA is competitive to the Symphony as people are saying that's a big deal. I'm selling my console and probably going to be moving to a Great River Mixmaster 20 due to space limitations and to speed up workflow. So having 24 I/O, with at least some mastering grade conversion is going to be a must. The Yamaha? Are you still in the southwest or did you move east?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 27, 2015 14:43:20 GMT -6
I had a Hilo a couple of years ago and from what I remember, it was super transparent. I ended up "not liking" it as much as the Symphony because the Symphony seemed to add a little bottom end bump...Never tried the Mytek. But I put not liking in quotes because really, all the stuff in this range is excellent. I currently have a Burl. carymiller - have you seen the ADDA svart is building in the DIY section? I think both will be about $400. He's using the best chips and all that jazz. Really great sounding transparent piece. Thanks Johnkenn I left a few posts in Svart's thread...I'm sincerely interested in what he's trying to design for sure. way past the " trying to design ' the svarticus5000 full prototype AD already tested and a full AD and DA is a couple of days away from being buttoned and sent off to John , who for some odd reason hasn't agreed to forward it to me ? what ever happened to southern hospitality anyway ?
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Post by carymiller on Mar 27, 2015 15:45:13 GMT -6
Dan, how much did a modded 16a run you? If the DA is competitive to the Symphony as people are saying that's a big deal. I'm selling my console and probably going to be moving to a Great River Mixmaster 20 due to space limitations and to speed up workflow. So having 24 I/O, with at least some mastering grade conversion is going to be a must. The Yamaha? Are you still in the southwest or did you move east? The Yamaha. I built a room in NYC with a financier a business partner lined up and things were going well. But the problem is the person in question is more of an eccentric than I would like to deal with on a regular basis. The money is simply not enough with other out of control spending in unnecessary areas. I am kind of heartbroken about it, but I have no choice but to sell the PM-2000. I have done some maintenance on it...and it works beautifully...but by myself I'm better off with a smaller rig. On the flip side I seem to be in a position to work on my own material for the first time in four years, with a lot of help via marketing and publishing deals. So...I've made my peace with it. The console has been listed along with custom furniture and about $12,000 wiring and TT patchbays on Ebay.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 27, 2015 16:12:55 GMT -6
Why are money people always so weird?
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Post by carymiller on Mar 27, 2015 17:02:42 GMT -6
Why are money people always so weird? You know...I ask myself the same question. I think part of it is that they think being associated with fame is all that matters. That success is measured by what's sold well. If money isn't something you've ever struggled with, then all that matters is having people think you're good at your job, or that you're a genius I guess. He blew some money on a few compressors that Chris Walla was selling...and I mean...he paid through the nose. I love Chris's work, but at that point I realized that I was committing to something that was always going to be a stop/go situation around his whims rather than a troubleshooting scenario where I could prioritize work as it comes against gear that gets you around the race track. I sold a bunch of vintage Neve 1272's that were racked by Brent Averill back in the day and we had this huge argument because I replaced them with Chameleon Labs X-Modded channels after doing a shootout with clones. I put that money towards other things that were needed and got us a great deal on 8 WA12's and a couple Tone Beasts. Two weeks later the Walla thing happens and he becomes fixated on tracking down the best vocal chain possible. I explain to him that great mics are the way to go moreso than just worrying about preamps. Etc. I'm the one with the technical experience, but my word was never good enough...and the Yamaha which is a FANTASTIC desk...he kept trying to push for selling it anyway in favor of an overpriced Trident 80B another producer he liked wanted to sell. That Yamaha has the headroom of an 80's series Neve because Dave Hecht, Fred Forsell, and Fletcher worked on it...but it was all brand name nonsense Vs making the best studio possible once he got out of hand, and since he was supposed to be bankrolling my budget it turned sour fast from there. I wish I could keep the desk but if I build a new spot I won't have room. So...I figure a Great River Mixmaster 20 or Shadow Hills Equinox is probably the next best thing.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 27, 2015 18:25:40 GMT -6
Why are money people always so weird? if that is the standard, i'm the most weirdless mofo ya'll ever met! 8)
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Post by dandeurloo on Mar 28, 2015 9:19:49 GMT -6
The 16a is nice. I compared the AD side to the RMA yesterday and the RMA is better. Much better in the game of inches. Seems to have better freq response compared to my mixes I was printing through them and depth. Its not bad but its not as good as the DA side of the 16a for sure. It will do for basic tracking. I still have plans to do more extensive mods to the 16a and the 24Io so hopefully I can get the AD to sound better in it. If that sounded a little better this thing would be killer.
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