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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 23, 2015 14:30:53 GMT -6
other than the ability to connect with a drummer in Dubai? I have to say...that doesn't really want to make me fork over $200. How about just ONE upgrade over 11 to make it more palatable?
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Mar 23, 2015 14:52:16 GMT -6
It's a completely new business model from consumer software. This is no longer the Apple "insanely great" new product/new version bling approach. I, for one, think that's a good thing.
The thing to do during the business model transition is wait until they release a new feature you really want before starting the support plan clock.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 23, 2015 15:26:17 GMT -6
It's a completely new business model from consumer software. This is no longer the Apple "insanely great" new product/new version bling approach. I, for one, think that's a good thing. The thing to do during the business model transition is wait until they release a new feature you really want before starting the support plan clock.to me there is nothing different functionally, or attractive about PT12 over 11, and if they don't offer any feature I want before their year end demand for $ ? I believe I forfeit my near 20 years of PT ownership and start over, then i pay $899+$300 a year to "own"(lol, roll eyes), or have to rent on a yearly basis if i ever decide to get current. Logic here I come.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 23, 2015 16:01:40 GMT -6
but you can wait for ever if you haven't subscribed by end of year then you'll pay full pop $7-900 usd !
I am thinking Logic too the drummer is interesting and the guitar amp sims are very good !
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Post by Ward on Mar 24, 2015 7:02:00 GMT -6
I'm quite happily working away on PT10, thanks. I've given some thought to upgrading to 11 but the plugin software investment would be enormous...
So I'll stay with 'Perfect-10' for now!
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Post by Ward on Mar 24, 2015 7:02:51 GMT -6
Also.. what happens if (more likely when) Avid goes out of business and you're stuck on 12 and the clock expires, and then there's no one there to restart the clock???
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 24, 2015 7:49:11 GMT -6
Yeah - I just did a mix in 10 last night myself. Man, it feels like home. If only it had offline bounce...it would be perfect. But we all know that plugin manufacturers and counters in general March forward and stop playing nice with old software.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 24, 2015 10:01:41 GMT -6
Pro tools experts Experience with 12:
"We decided to test out the new Pro Tools 12 subscription plan yesterday.
It wasn’t the smoothest of operations, the experience included the store losing the purchase, but after battling through several screens we got our hands on it… sort of. Getting The Pro Tools 12 Licence To Work
Once purchased a subscription licence is placed in your iLok account. Not knowing what Avid were going to do with the old Pro Tools licence we used a different account and iLok, we weren’t taking any chances on licences going missing in the process.
So we started the iLok Licence Manager and as with other licences dragged the licence onto our iLok, all seemed happy. Then we launched Pro Tools 12 which started looking for a licence and said it could not be found. After 20 minutes of faffing around it transpired that in order to activate the licence you don’t drag it to the licence as you do with all other iLok licences, instead you must use the activation screen inside Pro Tools 12. It can’t seem to handle it if the license is already on the iLok. So we had to deposit the licence back off the iLok and then let Pro Tools 12 install it via the activation screen and the iLok account. If you had a better experience then let us know. Installing Pro Tools 12 Software
The next thing to know is that if you own Pro Tools 11 then it gets wiped when you install Pro Tools 12, we’re using Yosemite so we can’t test if this is the case with Pro Tools 10. So if you want a previous version of Pro Tools then install Pro Tools 12 on a different disk or partition, at the very least do a back-up. Your Account Is Set To Auto-Renew
Now onto the money, as would be expected with any subscription based deal auto-renew is turned on in you Avid account so if you don’t want this to be the case then go and turn it off, you can see it in the image below.
Pro Tools 12 Review
This is not really a Pro Tools 12 review, partly because there isn’t a lot to review, some I/O changes and AFL/PFL has been improved, and there’s a new start-up screen. Finally there’s a very sparse in-App market place with the grand total of 1 plug-in for sale when we tried it - it’s also painfully slow to use.
Collaboration and the other cloud based features that Avid have been showing are not included in this first release of Pro Tools 12.
In fact in any other universe this would have been called Pro Tools 11.5 at best. Apparently there are a lot of changes under the hood, we have seen reports that the same session using Pro Tools 12 uses less system resources that Pro Tools 11 so we decided to test that theory, you can see the Pro Tools 12 performance test here. We didn’t keep it on our machine long enough to find out much more about stabilty over any real length of time. Pro Tools 12 - Our Advice
If you want to try out Pro Tools 12 then take our advice and wait for a demo to appear, if you can’t then sign up for a month before you make a full commitment. Back up your Pro tools 11 install or use a different partition before installing it.
There are other features coming soon…seeing is believing."
Wow, where do I sign up ?
ps they bench tested 11.3.1 vs 12 : no significant differences !
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 24, 2015 11:00:29 GMT -6
wow! these guys are floundering and tanking right before our eyes! i know of very many guys bailing PT... what a shame!... seriously, what a damn shame
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 24, 2015 11:06:18 GMT -6
I feel the same Tony but they are doing it to themselves.
i hope their big institutional clients keep them solvent but its not clear whether pro tools is the right daw for others.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 24, 2015 12:09:05 GMT -6
Ugh. This is depressing.
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Post by jdc on Mar 24, 2015 13:14:48 GMT -6
how long has everyone been with PT? Pro Tools and I have been together for 10 years now, maybe we just need relationship counseling...
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 24, 2015 13:32:18 GMT -6
almost 15 here...
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 24, 2015 13:54:47 GMT -6
I personally bought in around 1998/9
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Post by ericn on Mar 24, 2015 14:26:45 GMT -6
Since 93 or 94 I think! First System I built was PT3, first I owned was PT24 TDM.
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Post by zaiata on Mar 24, 2015 14:38:45 GMT -6
I still have 10 installed.... Now comfortable with Logic. Updating Protools I am not. Unless they develop something amazing that I can not do in other DAW.
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Post by formatcyes on Mar 24, 2015 14:54:41 GMT -6
Still very happy with LogicX. Just saying.
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Post by dandeurloo on Mar 24, 2015 18:11:10 GMT -6
Wow, if PT expert gives a review like that then you know it was depressing. I need to back up my PT 11 installers. So far its been great and I could stay here for a really long time.
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Post by Randge on Mar 24, 2015 18:36:31 GMT -6
Cough-Cubase-cough...
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 24, 2015 18:48:30 GMT -6
Wow, if PT expert gives a review like that then you know it was depressing. I need to back up my PT 11 installers. So far its been great and I could stay here for a really long time. This is so ridiculous, it is honestly sad, for audio software it's like watching my home burn down. Is it still an option to upgrade to 11? or do you have to jump to 12 at this point?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 24, 2015 19:14:05 GMT -6
too late avid isn't selling 11 anymore ! look for a reseller quick !
your avid options :
Avid have now started selling Pro Tools 12 on their web store and have taken Pro Tools 11 off the store so you can no longer buy Pro Tools 11 from the Avid Store.
Pro Tools 12 Subscriptions You can buy Pro Tools 12 on monthly subscription and pay $29.99 per month or sign up for an annual subscription and pay $24.92 per month. You also get Standard Support Included as long as you pay the subscription fees.
Pro Tools 12 With Upgrade Plan You can buy a new copy of Pro Tools 12 with a 12 month Upgrade plan for $899 and then pay $199 per year to keep the upgrade plan up to date. You also get 12 months standard support included with the Upgrade plan.
Pro Tools 12 Upgrade Plan For owners of Pro Tools 9, 10 11, Pro Tools M-Powered 6-8 or MP9, Pro Tools Express bundled with Avid hardware (The InMusic versions are not eligible) you can upgrade to Pro Tools 12 for $199 per year and then pay $199 per year to stay up to date. You also get 12 months standard support included with the Upgrade plan.
Pro Tools 12HD Upgrade Plan For owners of Pro Tools 9, 10 or 11HD software or Pro Tools 9 & 10 with Complete Production Toolkit, you can upgrade to Pro Tools 12HD for $599 and then pay $599 per year to stay up to date. You also get 12 months of ExpertPlus Support included in the HD Upgrade Plan.
Pro Tools 12 For Education Subscriptions You can buy Pro Tools 12 on monthly subscription and pay $9.99 per month or sign up for an annual subscription and pay $8.25 per month. You also get Standard Support Included as long as you pay the subscription fees. You will have to prove you are a student or teacher to be eligible for this plan.
Pro Tools 12 For Education With Upgrade Plan You can buy a new copy of Pro Tools 12 For Education with a 12 month Upgrade plan for $299 and then pay $99 per year to keep the upgrade plan up to date. You also get 12 months standard support included with the Upgrade plan. You will have to prove you are a student or teacher to be eligible for this plan.
Pro Tools 12 For Education Upgrade With Annual Upgrade Plan For owners of Pro Tools 9, 10 11, Pro Tools M-Powered 6-8 or MP9, Pro Tools Express bundled with Avid hardware (The InMusic versions are not eligible) you can upgrade to Pro Tools 12 For Education for $99 per year and then pay $99 per year to stay up to date. You also get 12 months standard support included with the Upgrade plan. You will have to prove you are a student or teacher to be eligible for this plan.
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Post by Ward on Mar 24, 2015 21:14:43 GMT -6
how long has everyone been with PT? Pro Tools and I have been together for 10 years now, maybe we just need relationship counseling... Since Sound Tools... i.e. the beginning... but I did drop out between 5 and 7.3
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Post by lcr on Mar 25, 2015 3:28:05 GMT -6
how long has everyone been with PT? Pro Tools and I have been together for 10 years now, maybe we just need relationship counseling... Since Sound Tools... i.e. the beginning... but I did drop out between 5 and 7.3 Pro Tools 6.
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Post by formatcyes on Mar 25, 2015 3:53:04 GMT -6
how long has everyone been with PT? Pro Tools and I have been together for 10 years now, maybe we just need relationship counseling... A divorce doesent cost half but...
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Post by dandeurloo on Mar 25, 2015 7:45:39 GMT -6
I'm not sure but I had a feeling so I jumped on 11 while I could.
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