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Post by tasteliketape on Mar 5, 2015 14:40:35 GMT -6
Ok guys what am I missing here alto music has a fast track solo with protools 10,11,12
with a ilok2l and protools express plus avid support for one year for 319.99
I have to be
missing somthing? hell throw the interface to the kids and it's still a great deal unless I'm not getting the catch highly possible lol
anyone seen this?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 5, 2015 16:08:12 GMT -6
check if it a permanent license!
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Post by svart on Mar 5, 2015 16:16:35 GMT -6
It's called a loss leader in the business world. It's the same principle as getting a "free" cell phone with a 2 year contract. Once they entice you into the contract with a "free" phone, you are essentially overpaying for the phone and service for years. They make more money in the long run this way.
Same thing, Avid is giving away their software to lock you into using it before they go full "subcription" service. They make more money in the long run from losing a little money up front as you keep paying year over year. They also get the added benefit of having a more steady income stream rather than piecemeal income from random sales.
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Post by tasteliketape on Mar 5, 2015 16:40:11 GMT -6
Called Alto was told it is definitely a permanent license
I know it's native but what the hell an upgrade was going to cost me 199.00 plus an ilok2
I'm running an old HD 2 / G5 with HD 8 with no problems except there are a few new plugins I would like to have, and of course the G5 is getting old
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 5, 2015 16:45:12 GMT -6
I despise this business model and avid is losing me as a customer.
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Post by tasteliketape on Mar 5, 2015 16:58:24 GMT -6
I did buy a ur12 interface with cubase al just to try Cubase also have seen older.Radar with nyquest converters for around 2500 to 3000 or even radar classic 24 for 1000
agree avid policy s suck but like the other threads say it's what I know I'm an old dog don't know if i can learn new tricks lmao
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Mar 5, 2015 19:27:40 GMT -6
If you don't pay for support, what's the worst that happens? You can't call them up once a year? you can't email 'em with questions? Umm, doesn't this thing come with a 1,000+ page PDF manual that answers all the questions for how to use the software? Need software upgrades? Can't you just ask a buddy that uses PT for the latest update to your version?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 5, 2015 19:54:16 GMT -6
If you let your support lapse, you have to pay $899 for the full software to get back in...and no upgrades or updates.
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Post by mobeach on Mar 5, 2015 20:27:44 GMT -6
That's unbelievable
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 5, 2015 20:36:22 GMT -6
true dat but jk's right; that is the new deal; true you could probably find a pro tools license a little cheaper but maybe avid will play hardball with its resellers too.
your 11/12 will continue to run but you either pay the $199 each year or your SOL and pay full pop for only 12 moths of official license and then yo are back in limbo unless you pay the $199.
do what you like but you could just buy another hi quality DAW now.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Mar 5, 2015 21:36:42 GMT -6
So, annual upgrades are $200, basically.
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Post by rickcarson on Mar 6, 2015 8:57:27 GMT -6
I think its that annual upgrades are $200 and if you want to stop paying annually and still open your sessions you need to fork over another $899?
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 6, 2015 10:17:37 GMT -6
NoFilterChuck richardskopnik for OWNERS it's $199 a year to be eligible for updates and upgrades on PT vanilla, PTHD is $599, if you lapse on that payment, you can keep the latest download u own, if you want to upgrade from a point AFTER lapse, u start over at $899(or what ever retail is at that point) for ownership, or u rent by the month or some bs. I'll be updating at years end, then I will ride that horse into the sunset, on the other side I will already have purchased and slowly learned another platform. Avid is going to see a lot of horses asses riding into the sunset 8)
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Mar 7, 2015 7:41:06 GMT -6
My DAW rocks and I don't owe Steinberg a dime in the future to use it. It's a no brainer.
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Post by rickcarson on Mar 7, 2015 8:24:54 GMT -6
Yeah I think I may be with you guys on the leaving avid behind express... although I have said this in the past.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Mar 7, 2015 9:17:09 GMT -6
Avid is clearly betting the store on the creativity of their developers and only they know what new features they've got up their sleeves. It's very premature to talk about what PT 12 will be worth or not worth by the time anybody needs to make a decision. They have also made it clear updates will continue to be available for free after a support plan runs out. The idea that they won't is another conspiracy theory as far as I've been able to tell.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Mar 7, 2015 9:50:25 GMT -6
I think the discrepancy is the updates from V12 to V13, not from v12 to v12.1. Entire Version number upgrades are what you'll have to pay for, it seems. the bug fix updates will be free, like how they are now. but I bet they start saving big (small) feature additions for version upgrades. stuff like a new automation tool mode, which should be a bug fix update is now something you'll have to pay for with the next version.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 7, 2015 10:36:27 GMT -6
Avid is clearly betting the store on the creativity of their developers and only they know what new features they've got up their sleeves. It's very premature to talk about what PT 12 will be worth or not worth by the time anybody needs to make a decision. They have also made it clear updates will continue to be available for free after a support plan runs out. The idea that they won't is another conspiracy theory as far as I've been able to tell.this isn't the part that bothers me, what bothers me is i'm already forced to a compromised version with PT11(it's not a full featured HD set up), i'm NOT ALLOWED to upgrade to HD without being forced to buy hardware, and now if i don't give them $200 a year for NEW compromised versions..see..., or i want to skip a version because i'm happy with 11, i'm forced to start over at $899 for another compromised version like a brand newb off the street, even though i've been using/ buying upgrades for PT for around 20 years. It's no conspiracy, it's just a horrible idea on their part, and seems to be the straw that broke the camels back as a LOT of users are out. No one likes to be extorted, this may not technically be extortion, but it certainly feels like it.  |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Mar 7, 2015 12:34:49 GMT -6
V10 to V11 to V12 to V13 are not updates. Each is an upgrade to new features.
Their new development model is introducing new features far more frequently rather than one big new upgrade set every few years. It's a different way of doing business that has no real relationship to the past.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 7, 2015 13:12:19 GMT -6
So, annual upgrades are $200, basically. annual extortion |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 7, 2015 13:23:50 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind paying $200 for DAW. It's something that I use every day and is invaluable. The problem is this: it sets an incredibly dangerous precedent. If PT's can get this and then Slate does it...then Waves is next, then UA, then Fabfilter, etc. Lets say the plugin manu's charge as little as even $10/month (Slate is $20/month). I use more than 5 different manufacturer's plugs - but lets just say 5 at $10/month. That's $600 per year on top of $200 from PT's. I just CAN'T and WON'T do it. And I won't support a company that changes to it.
Also - let me go on a little rant right here. $20 a month?? That means I'd have to have 176,991 streams on Spotify. (By their calculations - I've never received anywhere NEAR this rate). This shit is backwards. It costs more to MAKE music than it does to consume it.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 7, 2015 14:39:17 GMT -6
V10 to V11 to V12 to V13 are not updates. Each is an upgrade to new features. Their new development model is introducing new features far more frequently rather than one big new upgrade set every few years. It's a different way of doing business that has no real relationship to the past. understood, but if I decide to hang out on v11 for 2 years, and then want to make the jump to v13, shouldn't i at the very least have the right to pay across v12 @ $398.00 instead of being forced to start over at $899.00? Unless i'm grossly mis reading something? this later is exactly the case, It's like penalizing me for being satisfied with their product in a way. And like JK stated, if this shift sets up a new paradigm for these guys, it's going to push everyone OTB! Several hundred dollars a month will get you into a killer hardware rig... So i say more power to em lol. the only other thing i may consider is partnering up with someone on a pair of iloks, then we can split the costs every year, if someone with PTHD is interested in doing this, let me know and i'll consider paying 1/2 the annual fee's, i have the waves platinum bundle and a bunch of other plugs to bring to the table as well 8) |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Mar 7, 2015 15:23:09 GMT -6
You won't need to make that decision until December when we'll all know a lot more about 12.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 7, 2015 18:16:53 GMT -6
V10 to V11 to V12 to V13 are not updates. Each is an upgrade to new features. Their new development model is introducing new features far more frequently rather than one big new upgrade set every few years. It's a different way of doing business that has no real relationship to the past. understood, but if I decide to hang out on v11 for 2 years, and then want to make the jump to v13, shouldn't i at the very least have the right to pay across v12 @ $398.00 instead of being forced to start over at $899.00? Unless i'm grossly mis reading something? this later is exactly the case, It's like penalizing me for being satisfied with their product in a way. And like JK stated, if this shift sets up a new paradigm for these guys, it's going to push everyone OTB! Several hundred dollars a month will get you into a killer hardware rig... So i say more power to em lol. the only other thing i may consider is partnering up with someone on a pair of iloks, then we can split the costs every year, if someone with PTHD is interested in doing this, let me know and i'll consider paying 1/2 the annual fee's, i have the waves platinum bundle and a bunch of other plugs to bring to the table as well 8) Isn't that stealing the software? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 7, 2015 18:32:04 GMT -6
Isn't the subscription model extortion? I bought it under a certain terms and conditions and now it's suddenly changing?
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