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Post by lpedrum on Feb 27, 2015 9:28:03 GMT -6
Here's the thing. I'm working with a young singer with a very bright voice. She's great but there are two challenges when mixing her. She has a strident brassiness at 2.5 K and in addition a piercing bright squeakiness around 12K that kicks in once in a while. To compound the problem she really likes her vocals mixed loud ala Cobie Callet. So if I just hi cut the vocals I loose all of the air and presence. In the past I've actually set up a separate EQ plug in and painstakingly automated every egregious note. But that's a LOT of hours.
My question is this: Is there a plugin that I can set where these problem spots are happening and have it kick in only when it happens? I don't want to loose the air and presence of the vocal, just have a plugin tame the vocal when it becomes problematic, if that's possible. Any ideas or suggestions would be much appreciated!
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Post by svart on Feb 27, 2015 9:37:20 GMT -6
I typically use a very narrow notch filter at the precise offending frequencies. Only a couple dB cut is necessary at each point.
You'll find that those specific notes will peak up a bit and you can just cut enough to flatten them out.
Another option is to use multiple de-essers with their trigger frequencies set to the offending ones.
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 27, 2015 9:44:33 GMT -6
De Essing?? www.toneboosters.com/tb-de-esser/May your DAW also has one already in stock? Or tracking it with a different mic position and or different microphone? I am a big fan of getting it right in the front. My 2 cents.... |
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Post by donr on Feb 27, 2015 9:50:14 GMT -6
Something multi band like Fab Filter Pro-MB or Waves C4 to comp only the narrow range of freqs you want to tame?
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Post by jimwilliams on Feb 27, 2015 10:02:21 GMT -6
A BSS Dynamic Equalizer is the tool for that. It has 4 bands of EQ tied to VCA controls. You can boost or cut and have those frequencies at the ready when those bad notes come in, it will attenuate them while leaving the rest of the performance alone.
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Post by gouge on Feb 27, 2015 10:05:30 GMT -6
Have you tried an sm7b.
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Post by Ward on Feb 27, 2015 10:29:03 GMT -6
Notch filer at 2.5K/ Q at around 30, -2 to -3db should be sufficient - be careful to not completely remove all presence!
De-Ess at 7 or 8 Khz by about 6db. If there isn't anything too much there, a de-esser won't hurt the rest.
And what kind of microphone are you using? Actually, what's your complete vocal chain, mic, pre, EQ, Comp, limiter, converter?
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Post by lpedrum on Feb 27, 2015 10:56:11 GMT -6
Thanks all--this is extremely helpful. I'm using an R84 ribbon (every condenser I've tried is way to bright for her) into a Phoenix pre.
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Post by lpedrum on Feb 27, 2015 11:06:49 GMT -6
A BSS Dynamic Equalizer is the tool for that. It has 4 bands of EQ tied to VCA controls. You can boost or cut and have those frequencies at the ready when those bad notes come in, it will attenuate them while leaving the rest of the performance alone. I did an online search for that unit Jim and it seems to be no longer available. Do you think something like this Brainworx plugin does the same thing as the BSS? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 27, 2015 13:20:08 GMT -6
set up a duplicate channel, boost the offending frequencies on said channel, disable the output, then use that channel to key a compressor on your vox channel, set attack, release and reduction parameters to duck enough level at the offending freq's and still sound natural. A fast, clean, transparent, linear phase compressor should work very well here, i'd use it in look ahead mode as well, you could always render the track if latency becomes an issue.
hope this helps
or if you want to make it easy, zoom in, create a seperate region, and use clip gain in PT's
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 27, 2015 14:34:32 GMT -6
or try this one very interesting approach to redistribute the audio stream… push it and you will be surprised… how it makes hf energy smooth…. www.airwindows.com/?s=adclip4 |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 27, 2015 15:04:37 GMT -6
A BSS Dynamic Equalizer is the tool for that. It has 4 bands of EQ tied to VCA controls. You can boost or cut and have those frequencies at the ready when those bad notes come in, it will attenuate them while leaving the rest of the performance alone. I did an online search for that unit Jim and it seems to be no longer available. Do you think something like this Brainworx plugin does the same thing as the BSS? I think either a multiband limiter from FabFilter or the DynEQ from Brainworx would work well for what you're trying to accomplish. Both companies make some quality tools IMO. |
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Post by wiz on Feb 27, 2015 17:40:13 GMT -6
automation
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 27, 2015 18:13:52 GMT -6
Fabfilter Pro-MB
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Post by lpedrum on Mar 1, 2015 18:26:41 GMT -6
or try this one very interesting approach to redistribute the audio stream… push it and you will be surprised… how it makes hf energy smooth…. www.airwindows.com/?s=adclip4That plugin IS very interesting. Unfortunately it's AU only with no VST and won't work for my Cubase/Mac set up. |
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 1, 2015 19:53:34 GMT -6
or try this one very interesting approach to redistribute the audio stream… push it and you will be surprised… how it makes hf energy smooth…. www.airwindows.com/?s=adclip4That plugin IS very interesting. Unfortunately it's AU only with no VST and won't work for my Cubase/Mac set up. True…. I often do what BK wrote. Use the EQ to find the best compromise. All other processes most often bring also unwanted effects to the source. Except the SONOX De Esser but this one is not cheap. Best is to track it from scratch. |
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Post by henge on Mar 2, 2015 11:37:21 GMT -6
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Post by lpedrum on Mar 2, 2015 16:53:14 GMT -6
I checked out the link and this looks spot on. The problem issue I'm having has nothing to do with retracking or mic choice. And I've done radical eq notching and always felt it made things sound "gappy." This leads me to think that dynamic EQ is probably the answer and this looks like a simple way to achieve it. I'm going to download the free trail and give it a try. I'll report back with my findings. Thanks for the link! |
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Post by henge on Mar 3, 2015 12:36:44 GMT -6
It's more than a dynamic eq! It has some nice analyzers,m/s processing per band, some saturation. Makes a very nice de esser.
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Post by drew571 on Mar 4, 2015 7:58:30 GMT -6
Waves c6 can tame those frequencies nicely. I also like the sm7b suggestion.
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Post by rickcarson on Mar 4, 2015 9:33:35 GMT -6
Dynamic EQ. I ususally use waves c1-sc to do what your asking.
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