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Post by swurveman on Feb 15, 2015 10:24:07 GMT -6
The VCA Channel idea is shown as an ability to keep the relative volumes of, for example, an entire drum kit's individual channels. Aren't the relative volumes the same in Cubase 6 when using the link channel function and a group channel or main output channel? If not, what is the difference?
Thanks to anybody who replies!
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 15, 2015 11:07:57 GMT -6
I'm not really sure what the difference in VCA and Group is...anyone have an answer?
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 15, 2015 11:15:03 GMT -6
Thought this was an interesting description: VCAs really are just a "skin" for linked faders (with a cool automation add-on)
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Post by swurveman on Feb 15, 2015 15:03:19 GMT -6
Thought this was an interesting description: VCAs really are just a "skin" for linked faders (with a cool automation add-on) Even more confused. What is a "skin" in DAW software language? The linked channels have to have outputs. In Cubase 6 the outputs can be a group or the main output. Both the group and main output channel's can be automated. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 15, 2015 15:14:59 GMT -6
Basically, it's just one fader that controls the volume for several channels and doesn't effect the amount of level going to pre-fader sends. Just another way to skin the cat.
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Post by bluenoise on Feb 15, 2015 17:54:39 GMT -6
I'm not really sure what the difference in VCA and Group is...anyone have an answer? I don't know if it's implemented the same way it works in pro tools, so it might differ. In PT, vca faders are actually groups, but they work differently than traditional groups. All of the "group functionality" happens at the vca fader, while individual tracks remain unlinked. I find them really handy, specially for automations since the vca layer doesn't overwrite the individual channel automation, it adds it on top. |
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Post by ericn on Feb 15, 2015 20:09:17 GMT -6
Not exactly sure about Cubase but the best way to describe it is in terms of the real thing.
A VCA group is about control, one fader adjusts the over all level of all the faders assigned.
A Regular group is a sub mix or a mix of the assigned inputs that can be either assigned to a output and or to LR.
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Post by swurveman on Feb 18, 2015 9:07:17 GMT -6
I'm not really sure what the difference in VCA and Group is...anyone have an answer? I don't know if it's implemented the same way it works in pro tools, so it might differ. In PT, vca faders are actually groups, but they work differently than traditional groups. All of the "group functionality" happens at the vca fader, while individual tracks remain unlinked. I find them really handy, specially for automations since the vca layer doesn't overwrite the individual channel automation, it adds it on top. The Cubase way, before they introoduced VCA faders, was to link them individually to each other. Then, one of the linked faders acted like a master fader that controlled all the others. Different than the group fader, I think..... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 18, 2015 10:36:27 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm not really sure why people want VCA faders when you have the link feature that you can easily edit or suspend when needed. I find that to be a really, really cool feature.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Feb 18, 2015 17:30:33 GMT -6
I agree that it's over-rated. It can be an ergonomic time saver using a large format console/controller which is why it's in Pro Tools HD but in the land of us mortals using mice it's mostly just something that HD has but LE doesn't that Avid's competition can brag about.
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Post by wiz on Feb 18, 2015 17:38:31 GMT -6
Logic Pro X just got an update and we have VCA fader groups for the first time.
I like em, I like groups too... and busses.. 8)
When I put the drum faders into a VCA group, a VCA fader appears at the end of my mixer strip.
Now when I push that fader up.... the group volume goes up.. then if my snare is too loud.. I can tuck it back a bit.. none of the others within the group move... the post fader send on the snare channel is adjusted...
Yes, I could hit Control G and suspend the group temporarily.. but this is more elegant..
its also how I recall SSL VCA working, but that was a while back and I only mixed on a 4000 once...
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 18, 2015 19:04:38 GMT -6
I kinda figured out where I like using a VCA now...If I group all all my tracks except Vocal and harms in one VCA channel, I can just use that to pull all the tracks down at once if I want to pull the vocal out a little.
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