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Post by swurveman on Feb 14, 2015 9:27:57 GMT -6
I realize this isn't pro audio, but I am hoping people have experience with piano/electric piano vst's that can help.
I have the NI Komplete software package, which includes Kontakt's New York/Berlin/Vienna grand piano's. The grand piano's are harsh sounding. There is no sense that there is a padded hammer hitting strings. It sounds more like a hammer hitting a rail.
So, I'm wondering if there's a warm, padded-hammer-hitting strings sounding virtual piano out there.
Thanks for any replies!
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Post by mobeach on Feb 14, 2015 9:43:39 GMT -6
Being you have a Komplete bundle you don't have Akoustik Piano? I've always been able to get warm sounding piano's out of that program. You can choose different piano's, rooms, different reverbs etc..
I also Use Pianissimo which I think sounds good.
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Post by swurveman on Feb 14, 2015 11:50:56 GMT -6
Being you have a Komplete bundle you don't have Akoustik Piano? I've always been able to get warm sounding piano's out of that program. You can choose different piano's, rooms, different reverbs etc.. I also Use Pianissimo which I think sounds good. Thanks for your reply mobeach. I still find that piano to be bright and a bit clangy. I guess I'll have to EQ what I have, or buy a real piano and mic it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 14, 2015 12:07:29 GMT -6
I like Alicia's Keys...much better sounding than those others. I thought it came with Komplete? Imperfect Samples is cool...and Piano in Blue is fantastic.
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Post by swurveman on Feb 14, 2015 13:09:27 GMT -6
I like Alicia's Keys...much better sounding than those others. I thought it came with Komplete? Imperfect Samples is cool...and Piano in Blue is fantastic. Thanks John. I'll check it out.
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Post by mobeach on Feb 14, 2015 13:38:32 GMT -6
Being you have a Komplete bundle you don't have Akoustik Piano? I've always been able to get warm sounding piano's out of that program. You can choose different piano's, rooms, different reverbs etc.. I also Use Pianissimo which I think sounds good. Thanks for your reply mobeach. I still find that piano to be bright and a bit clangy. I guess I'll have to EQ what I have, or buy a real piano and mic it. Do you have a damper pedal that you use with your keyboard?
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Post by mobeach on Feb 14, 2015 13:40:03 GMT -6
Check out the Casio PX-350
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 14, 2015 20:19:41 GMT -6
I'm digging this one lately.http://8dio.com/instruments/#instrument/1969-steinway-piano/
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 14, 2015 20:20:54 GMT -6
I like Alicia's Keys...much better sounding than those others. I thought it came with Komplete? Imperfect Samples is cool...and Piano in Blue is fantastic. I've got piano in blue too. It's a good one.
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Post by mobeach on Feb 14, 2015 20:28:16 GMT -6
I would like to find a great Bosendorfer plugin, that piano is so dark it's wonderful.
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Post by donr on Feb 15, 2015 17:05:26 GMT -6
I realize this isn't pro audio, but I am hoping people have experience with piano/electric piano vst's that can help. I have the NI Komplete software package, which includes Kontakt's New York/Berlin/Vienna grand piano's. The grand piano's are harsh sounding. There is no sense that there is a padded hammer hitting strings. It sounds more like a hammer hitting a rail. So, I'm wondering if there's a warm, padded-hammer-hitting strings sounding virtual piano out there. Thanks for any replies! swurveman, It occurred to me to ask you if you've tried scaling velocities back in your midi controller. I don't play much piano, but my drums sounded better once I scaled velocities back in my DAW. Hitting the keys on my AKAI controller was giving me too many high velocity hits, and it didn't sound real enough. Since real pianos are rarely hit as loud as they can play, the sample pianos might sound better with overall lower midi velocity numbers.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 15, 2015 17:49:19 GMT -6
I had a guy over once that said he loved having a cheap non-weighted keyboard to play drums...he could control velocities better on that than even a pad...
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Post by Ward on Feb 15, 2015 21:08:40 GMT -6
If you can't afford "Ivory", then I suggest this one:
Mini grand that comes with Pro Tools is VERY good, and I can give you an EQ setting and tips that will make it 'sit' perfectly in the mix.
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Post by M57 on Feb 15, 2015 21:57:22 GMT -6
If you can't afford "Ivory", then I suggest this one: Mini grand that comes with Pro Tools is VERY good, and I can give you an EQ setting and tips that will make it 'sit' perfectly in the mix. I agree with ward about the Pro Tools piano. I just switched from PT to Logic Pro X, and though I'm not regretting my decision, I am missing the PT piano. I've heard good things about Ivory; I'm having a hell of a time micing my baby grand, and though the Logic Pro piano is 'OK,' it just doesn't hold up when exposed.
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Post by Ward on Feb 15, 2015 22:59:50 GMT -6
Run both, M57. Export your midi track, run it in Pro Tools Mini Grand (Set-up one new instrument track, plug in the mini grand, then import the midi file and make one new midi track, set the midi track output to the grand input, then convert to audio). Then import the audio stereo track back into Logic.
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Post by M57 on Feb 16, 2015 6:03:03 GMT -6
Run both, M57. Export your midi track, run it in Pro Tools Mini Grand (Set-up one new instrument track, plug in the mini grand, then import the midi file and make one new midi track, set the midi track output to the grand input, then convert to audio). Then import the audio stereo track back into Logic. Good advice, Ward. Unfortunately, I trashed PT when I upgraded to Yosemite. For that matter, I could just find someone with PT and have them render the track for me. One problem is, it's kind of a work flow issue. My piano tracks usually go down early if not first, and in that they provide inspiration for tracks that follow, I'd just assume have a good sounding piano from the get-go. Really, I should probably bite the bullet and find a good piano plug. Come to think of it, why don't we have a Virtual piano shootout? Someone make a few short midi files (maybe in two or three genres), post them, and then folks can render their favorite pianos, with instructions for EQing, etc.
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Post by Randge on Feb 16, 2015 8:41:02 GMT -6
Have you guys heard of this yet? It's the best I have ever heard to date. They make real pianos, but they start at $280,000. I want to get a nice controller and dedicated piano rig next year.
R
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Post by swurveman on Feb 18, 2015 8:59:34 GMT -6
Thanks guys for all your replies. Special thanks to donr for his advice about velocities. All things Midi is still a bit confusing. So, I need to hit the books understanding its effective use. Thanks again!
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Post by levon on Feb 19, 2015 0:32:11 GMT -6
Ivory all the way. I never liked the NI Pianos. Ivory was the best I ever came across. For some major piano mojo, try this. It's hauntingly beautiful, but you can't use it much due to its 'tuning'. Then again, you can always tighten it up a bit in Melodyne.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Feb 19, 2015 2:15:54 GMT -6
I'm a big fan of the American Concert D library and Italian Grand 2 for Ivory 2. Definitely check those out if you're thinking of purchasing. beware the 20 minute per DVD install time tho.
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Post by levon on Feb 19, 2015 3:58:09 GMT -6
I'm a big fan of the American Concert D library and Italian Grand 2 for Ivory 2. Definitely check those out if you're thinking of purchasing. beware the 20 minute per DVD install time tho. Agreed. Installation takes a long time due to the large content. Order a pizza with Ivory...
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Post by M57 on Feb 19, 2015 6:05:48 GMT -6
I'm a big fan of the American Concert D library and Italian Grand 2 for Ivory 2. Definitely check those out if you're thinking of purchasing. beware the 20 minute per DVD install time tho. ..and the iLok. I know some like it, but I avoid product that requires the iLok. I'm just not comfortable with third party hardware controlling my access to something I've paid good money for. I looked into the Ivory, and it does look to be a fantastic product.
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Post by aremos on Feb 19, 2015 11:54:45 GMT -6
Yes, from what I've heard & used, Ivory II (the Italian-Fazioli & the American-Steinway) & the Ravenscraft by VI.
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Post by sopwith on Feb 19, 2015 14:05:05 GMT -6
I may have to give Ravenscroft a try now that they compressed the sample size down to 5gb. My piano rig uses a laptop/tablet so I've stayed away from the enormous size libraries.
Otherwise, I use Pianoteq 5. It's not the most natural sounding due to being modeled rather sampled, but damn it plays like a dream and there's a ton of customizability. Want more hammer sound? Dial it in. Want control over the harmonics in the different registers? Dial it in. Want it to sound a little more (or less) worn? Dial it in.
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Post by drbill on Feb 19, 2015 14:41:02 GMT -6
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