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Post by mobeach on Feb 7, 2015 17:21:31 GMT -6
I've been hearing from different sources that vinyl records are making a comeback, any thoughts?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 7, 2015 18:06:51 GMT -6
Yep. They have been for quite a while. I picked up a player about 10 years ago. Most indie bands are selling vinyl that comes with a digital download. Best of both worlds.
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Post by unit7 on Feb 8, 2015 3:15:07 GMT -6
Yep. They have been for quite a while. I picked up a player about 10 years ago. Most indie bands are selling vinyl that comes with a digital download. Best of both worlds. My experience too (haven't got a player though). Talked to one of the major mastering guys here who did vinyl until the 90s sometime. He have clients that have used new cheap vinyl mastering services popping up these days, and many don't have a clue.. Playing time vs sound quality, heavy bass, stereo bass etc etc that a vinyl masterer has to know. Except for making the music sound really bad he even had someone coming in with a vinyl that was unplayable because the pickup was jumping. |
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Post by mobeach on Feb 8, 2015 7:01:25 GMT -6
Yep. They have been for quite a while. I picked up a player about 10 years ago. Most indie bands are selling vinyl that comes with a digital download. Best of both worlds. My experience too (haven't got a player though). Talked to one of the major mastering guys here who did vinyl until the 90s sometime. He have clients that have used new cheap vinyl mastering services popping up these days, and many don't have a clue.. Playing time vs sound quality, heavy bass, stereo bass etc etc that a vinyl masterer has to know. Except for making the music sound really bad he even had someone coming in with a vinyl that was unplayable because the pickup was jumping. Is there any way to tell which ones to buy or not? |
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Post by unit7 on Feb 8, 2015 7:32:41 GMT -6
My experience too (haven't got a player though). Talked to one of the major mastering guys here who did vinyl until the 90s sometime. He have clients that have used new cheap vinyl mastering services popping up these days, and many don't have a clue.. Playing time vs sound quality, heavy bass, stereo bass etc etc that a vinyl masterer has to know. Except for making the music sound really bad he even had someone coming in with a vinyl that was unplayable because the pickup was jumping. Is there any way to tell which ones to buy or not? You mean which mastering studios to avoid? I don't know. I believe he mentioned that it was a super cheap site in Poland (I believe..) that had no record/CV whatsoever. Probably some unexperienced guys that found vinyl mastering machines for nothing, and I'm sure these guys aren't alone. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 8, 2015 7:45:05 GMT -6
Vinyl helps make the collection of albums cool again. It creates value for a physical album.
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Post by mobeach on Feb 8, 2015 12:10:15 GMT -6
I like the sound. I used to love playing my Beatles albums on my stand alone record player. Turntable and speakers in the same unit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 16:40:06 GMT -6
Making?! It's gonna be outselling CDs in the next couple of years. I bought my old lady a player for Christmas, she owns more vinyl than CDs.
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Post by mobeach on Feb 9, 2015 17:13:56 GMT -6
Making?! It's gonna be outselling CDs in the next couple of years. I bought my old lady a player for Christmas, she owns more vinyl than CDs. I haven't even been looking for them, so I guess I haven't seen them. I remember Trent Reznor saying NIN's last album would be available on vinyl. |
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Post by ericn on Feb 10, 2015 13:26:10 GMT -6
Spent the other night listening to a bunch of New Vinyl with my neighbor last night it was really cool Lousy Volume wars Digital with all the noise of bad Vinyl
Pulled out my old Mobile Fidelity Beatles White , Crime of the Century and an old 1/2 soeed of Sketches Of Spain and a Couple of Sheffield Direct to Discs everybody understood great Analogue!
If It was a true appreciation of what analogue was/is can be it would be awesome, but it's a hipster, false Nostalgia fad being ridden by the Chinese at the low end and Audiophiles at the high end . Record Stores are riding the bubble hope they didn't sign long leases .
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 10, 2015 13:33:12 GMT -6
I have So Far by CSNY on vinyl that I picked up a while back. What an album. I'll listen to that one top to bottom, then flip it back over and start again. My Lady Gaga vinyl doesn't get too much play though. Haha.
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Post by swurveman on Feb 11, 2015 8:07:33 GMT -6
Though I hope vinyl makes a comeback, watching my 3 and 5 year old year grandsons spending hours on digital devices makes me wonder if-to their generation- using digital devices will be ingrained like speech and the use of their arms and legs. I think the way forward is to improve the fidelity of digital sound and make it theft proof. If I thought corporations and politicians cared one bit about music and art- and profit making for musicians and artists- I'd be optimistic.
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Post by popmann on Apr 21, 2015 16:44:19 GMT -6
I've mostly stopped buying new vinyl. So, there's that. It's too hit or miss.
I've said forever and a day--I don't care WHAT the format is....we need a format where you place the "intended for active listening"...."best we can make this sound"....version. I was willing ot buy vinyl and maintain the table if that's where we were going. But, two years later, I will say that we're still at maybe 40% availability (95% of which mailorder only-often adding even more shipping expense)....and of that 40%, easily 2/3rd is hipster crap masters (effectively the CD pressed into PVC)....and of the remaining third half of ALSO has the 24/SessionRate files available for purchase, which will always trump the vinyl unless you buy and maintain your system to literally change the sound (ie, buying a bright cart and riding it tail down to achieve a "pleasant" mid scoop to everything or a rich warm cart to roll off highs and bump the upper bass, etc)....
But, you've got Ryan Adams intentionally making his new album's 24/96 master sound terrible....while makign the vinyl sound lovely and even giving you MP3s made FROM the dynamic vinyl, so mp3s that are better sounding than 24/96 audio. You've got people claiming the vinyl sounds better when it's literally the same master--they just like something about what their turntable changes....you've got people caliming CDs are better than 24/96, because you get stuff like the Soundgarden or Don Henley remasters where the DR12 CD absollutely sounds better than the DR8 or DR5 24/96 master.
We need to be able to go to a store (and yes virtual is fine) when the new ArtistX comes out and be able to choose the best sounding version. I've found vinyl isn't it more than it is....man, when it IS....nice....but, I've lost the stomach for paying $20-45 to "see if it sounds better than the digital".
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Post by Ward on Apr 22, 2015 13:16:01 GMT -6
I'm all giggity on the cassette comeback!!
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Post by mobeach on Apr 22, 2015 14:13:08 GMT -6
I'm all giggity on the cassette comeback!! Those things suck, after a few years they squeal like Ned Beatty in Deliverance. |
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Post by Ward on Apr 22, 2015 20:19:34 GMT -6
I'm all giggity on the cassette comeback!! Those things suck, after a few years they squeal like Ned Beatty in Deliverance. You say that like it's a bad thing... Lots of cassette decks at NAMM this year! I mo dust off all my old mix tapes and get 'em in a shiny new deck!!! Now... where can I buy cassette tapes for new mix tapes? |
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Post by levon on Apr 23, 2015 2:08:59 GMT -6
When is shellac coming back? Can't wait for my 78s...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 3:16:40 GMT -6
C'mon, vinyl is sooo 2005...sigh.
Yes, young bands think vinyl is hip. Because hipsters all bought record players.
I have, ehem, 2 players, one of them quite good, and never bought a new vinyl.
In fact, i don't listen to vinyl at all since 2 decades.
It's just not the same nowadays, 2015. In the vinyl days i went into the record store and listened there before i bought one. Nothing like this today. I heard from many people that many if not most new vinyls suck, mastering for vinyl seems to be an anachronism and i have no interest in beeing disappointed all the time....
If i want to have vinyl feeling, i can still use iZotope Vinyl. LOL.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 25, 2015 17:10:03 GMT -6
Vinyl isn't coming back as much as CD and downloads have hit bottom. My clients who do vinyl sell most of it as souvenirs off the stage as opposed to in stores. There are so few plants left that in most cases you need to wait months yet there isn't enough business for plants to invest in new presses. Many of the old presses were converted to CD.
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