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Post by donr on Feb 4, 2015 12:37:20 GMT -6
The DR-70 4 channel is probably better suited for portable uses. Besides running on 4 AA cells, it will run on USB. The mic preamps have 3 gain ranges, low medium and high with adjustable pots. 24 or 48 volt phantom is selectable. It has a full set of high pass filter selections beginning at 40 hz. The limiter is selectable, mono or stereo locked. I took it out to BLM to try it out Sunday with my cannon DSLR. I shot AR-15's 10 feet away and the limiter works great. Yes, it takes gunshots very well. Rock acts ought to be easy. Jim, did you try the Dual Recording mode, with the -12dB safety copy? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 15:29:52 GMT -6
I've just ordered one, I think one of weakest parts of my chain wasn't really the recording equipment. So I've gone DigiLOG which means no VI's (Bar some synths)  .. Ordered a 2Box E-drum kit, tried one out the other day and sounds awesome.. Ordered a Kemper and going to get it hooked up to this bad boy. If it doesn't pan out I can always buy a Symphony later. Oh and I've dropped Pro Tools.. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 17:08:42 GMT -6
Ahh man, the 2Box requires an 8 core loom out on TS.. Looks like Apollo it is then!..
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Post by formatcyes on Feb 5, 2015 3:28:00 GMT -6
I'll be able to say more later, I'm in a session with it right now, but so far the DAC on the UH-7000 is really impressing me. Depending on how much I like the preamps and ADC I am considering buying a second unit for a 4x4 hi fi mobile recording setup. I'm just amazed at what it does compared to what I paid for it. It's not a very good monitor controller, you would probably want something with a big volume knob, mute, etc, to go with it. As an AD/DA, preamp, and interface though it's very elegant. I do wish it had a pad and a rumble filter. All you get is a gain knob and phantom power on/off for the preamps. Agree 100% I ordered a mammoth passive controller. |
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Post by jimwilliams on Feb 6, 2015 10:18:26 GMT -6
The DR-70 4 channel is probably better suited for portable uses. Besides running on 4 AA cells, it will run on USB. The mic preamps have 3 gain ranges, low medium and high with adjustable pots. 24 or 48 volt phantom is selectable. It has a full set of high pass filter selections beginning at 40 hz. The limiter is selectable, mono or stereo locked. I took it out to BLM to try it out Sunday with my cannon DSLR. I shot AR-15's 10 feet away and the limiter works great. Yes, it takes gunshots very well. Rock acts ought to be easy. Jim, did you try the Dual Recording mode, with the -12dB safety copy? No I didn't. The SPL difference from dialog to gunshots is a bit extreme. The limiters prevent overloads so if they are engaged, the -12 db settings arn't needed if the levels are adjusted well. If the limiters are off the -12 settings would be more useful. |
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Post by Guitar on Feb 6, 2015 16:27:28 GMT -6
The UH-7000 preamps and ADC sound really good. I'll use them next to any of my best mic preamps and Apollo.
Tomorrow I'm getting an Audient iD22 to compare to all this stuff... exciting times.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 6, 2015 16:36:53 GMT -6
Just a weird little note, the newer UH-7000 are being shipped with AKM converter chips, not Burr Brown. I don't think Tascam ever said anything about this change. See picture for the inside of my unit. All their press is still hyping the BB chips. I sort of think of the DAC on the UH-7000 as the "NS-10 of DACs." It's kind of unpleasant to listen on for any length of time in a casual way, it's just so freakin' detailed. But it's so revealing in the mids and highs that I am catching all kinds of screw ups in my mixes. I have been able to catch some awful stuff I got away with on my Emotiva DC-1. Although my best DC-1 mixes still hold up. I just seem to get there quicker with the UH-7000. It's unforgiving. I even think you could master on it. But I still prefer the Emotiva for casual listening. It's just more pleasant, if less accurate. The UH-7000 preamps and ADC sound really good. I'll use them next to any of my best mic preamps and Apollo. Tomorrow I'm getting an Audient iD22 to compare to all this stuff... exciting times. Interesting that it has different chips than advertised. I'd be pissed if I opened it up and it wasn't as advertised. |
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Post by formatcyes on Feb 6, 2015 16:45:55 GMT -6
mine is around 6 months old will pop the top and have a look. Not that it really matters when it sounds so good.
What I don't like is the DSP mix window but that wouldent stop me buying another if something happened to the one I have.
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Post by jimwilliams on Feb 7, 2015 9:59:59 GMT -6
Check the SOIC opamps. Tascam claims the 7000 uses 5532 opamps. My DR-70 had JRC4580 opamps, a MC33078 copy. Those are like a 5532 with reduced output current. AKM delta-sigma converters have a bit of glassy sound to them compared to the sign magnatude BurrBrown converters. It's something you notice comparing them next to each other.
At NAMM Tascam had a new products blurb I took home. The DR-70 mkII was shown but is not yet available, I sent an email to Jim Finch asking if he new what the differences are. It's not up on the Tascam web site either, they show the older version which I bought. The UH-7000 is shown as the same model, not a mkII model. If they changed to AKM over BurrBrown while claiming using Burrbrown, that's either an oversite or intentional dishonesty.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 7, 2015 11:19:45 GMT -6
Check the SOIC opamps. Tascam claims the 7000 uses 5532 opamps. My DR-70 had JRC4580 opamps, a MC33078 copy. Those are like a 5532 with reduced output current. AKM delta-sigma converters have a bit of glassy sound to them compared to the sign magnatude BurrBrown converters. It's something you notice comparing them next to each other. At NAMM Tascam had a new products blurb I took home. The DR-70 mkII was shown but is not yet available, I sent an email to Jim Finch asking if he new what the differences are. It's not up on the Tascam web site either, they show the older version which I bought. The UH-7000 is shown as the same model, not a mkII model. If they changed to AKM over BurrBrown while claiming using Burrbrown, that's either an oversite or intentional dishonesty. So your opinion is that the Burr Brown is better than the AKM? |
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Post by Guitar on Feb 7, 2015 11:43:40 GMT -6
Yep there's a whole bunch of NE5532 in my UH-7000. I do notice some 'glass' to the sound. Especially compared directly to my Audient iD22, which is using the Burr Browns. But they both just sound very different and I'm sure are designed very differently, so I don't know how good of a comparison that is.
The Audient sounds more neutral, and the Tascam sounds massive, bright, and big. Very different! The Emotiva DC-1 is somewhere between. I haven't listened to Apollo or UR824 in a while.
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, converters vary greatly in sound. I've got 5 different DACs to listen to, and they each have a distinct personality. That myth is going around gearslutz, it seems to me to be blatant misinformation, but you hear it all the time over there. Among other things, haha.
The iD22 came with the wimpiest possible looking wall wart 12 volt supply. I wonder if building up a big fat linear regulated PSU with a toroidal transformer and lots of filtering would give an improvement in sound?
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 7, 2015 12:58:18 GMT -6
Yep there's a whole bunch of NE5532 in my UH-7000. I do notice some 'glass' to the sound. Especially compared directly to my Audient iD22, which is using the Burr Browns. But they both just sound very different and I'm sure are designed very differently, so I don't know how good of a comparison that is. The Audient sounds more neutral, and the Tascam sounds massive, bright, and big. Very different! The Emotiva DC-1 is somewhere between. I haven't listened to Apollo or UR824 in a while. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, converters vary greatly in sound. I've got 5 different DACs to listen to, and they each have a distinct personality. That myth is going around gearslutz, it seems to me to be blatant misinformation, but you hear it all the time over there. Among other things, haha. The iD22 came with the wimpiest possible looking wall wart 12 volt supply. I wonder if building up a big fat linear regulated PSU with a toroidal transformer and lots of filtering would give an improvement in sound? Winer is fighting the urge to come in with a comparison between his sound forge and a prism 8) |
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Post by Guitar on Feb 8, 2015 14:57:02 GMT -6
Just a quick comparison of iD22 and UH-7000 after a few days of use.
I have to give the edge to the Audient iD22 inputs, they just sound a little more exciting than the UH-7000, plus the DI is really good (Tascam has none), and you get the full complement of standard mic pre controls (phase, pad, HPF, etc). I really like the Audient preamps. I can see why all of their products feature these same preamps.
The DAC side is a tossup, each has its merits. The Tascam is more impressive sounding but potentially more fatiguing depending on how bright your speakers are. The Audient is kind of bland but still very revealing. I do prefer the Tascam headphone sound. But the monitor controller on the iD22 is another really strong advantage. ADAT i/o gives it yet another edge over the Tascam for expandability. Tascam has the edge on seeming sturdiness and build quality. It also looks more serious. Audient just a pinch more lightweight in construction and the knobs are more wiggly. Tascam has a much more impressive power supply to Audient's little $5 wall wart. Audient's software is a lot more advanced. Tascam has a tiny edge on technical specifications, whether or not that means anything in real use.
It's sort of a tossup, I feel like each one is worth what I paid for it, or what anyone will pay to buy one new. I like them both!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 17:04:33 GMT -6
Just a quick comparison of iD22 and UH-7000 after a few days of use. I have to give the edge to the Audient iD22 inputs, they just sound a little more exciting than the UH-7000, plus the DI is really good (Tascam has none), and you get the full complement of standard mic pre controls (phase, pad, HPF, etc). I really like the Audient preamps. I can see why all of their products feature these same preamps. The DAC side is a tossup, each has its merits. The Tascam is more impressive sounding but potentially more fatiguing depending on how bright your speakers are. The Audient is kind of bland but still very revealing. I do prefer the Tascam headphone sound. But the monitor controller on the iD22 is another really strong advantage. ADAT i/o gives it yet another edge over the Tascam for expandability. Tascam has the edge on seeming sturdiness and build quality. It also looks more serious. Audient just a pinch more lightweight in construction and the knobs are more wiggly. Tascam has a much more impressive power supply to Audient's little $5 wall wart. Audient's software is a lot more advanced. Tascam has a tiny edge on technical specifications, whether or not that means anything in real use. It's sort of a tossup, I feel like each one is worth what I paid for it, or what anyone will pay to buy one new. I like them both! Uhh seriously, why do I go on GS? Oh yeah to try and sell gear I've horded over the years then I get side tracked by daft debates!.. In 2015, we are seriously nit picking when it comes to convertors and there's only top end Lavry / Weiss or the Apogee Symphony that specs out in a way that might be worth your money. It comes down to I/O, features / latency and support and possibly pre-amps (if you don't have your own anyway). I like Burl because it's got swaggggg! But that's a flavour choice  .. Anyway, thanks for your feedback.. If I didn't need the I/O and wasn't a user of UAD plugs I would of picked up the Tascam without any regrets.. |
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Post by Guitar on Feb 10, 2015 9:05:32 GMT -6
I don't know why they didn't cover it in the manual, but this (see attachment) is the correct cable to use with the UH-7000 digital XLR in SPDIF mode. Took me a while to figure that out. I've just started using it standalone with my Apollo as some extra inputs. I'm still not sure how I rate the preamps, yet. They are very neutral. Attachments:
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