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Post by wiz on Dec 29, 2014 19:39:58 GMT -6
You guys that are using hybrid systems...
how are you handling effects at mix down time?
Are you using an external effects unit strapped across the mixer aux's?
Are you returning the aux's from the mixer to the DAW via your sound card and then back to the mixer to get to the mixers 2 bus? (Latency?)
Are you just using the mixer for summing essentially?
cheers
Wiz
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 29, 2014 20:09:07 GMT -6
I always use the desk AUX / SEND because its just simple and easy.
I send all FX, external and internal, to the last stereo fader on the console.
I also did the hard wiring thing but you name it.
You have to measure one round trip.
If I remember right it was 6 ms with the RMEs.
I prefer much more the desk AUX / SEND method because it keeps away trouble; and sounds better too.
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Post by svart on Dec 29, 2014 23:13:23 GMT -6
Dynamics and EQ on channel inserts.
Delay/reverb/effects on sends/auxs.
That's how i do it. 90% of what i do is outboard and the mixer is summed to two channels then goes back to a 2channel ADC for recording as my mix down file.
ITB stuff is usually only routing for headphone mixes and summing down into groups.
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Post by wiz on Dec 30, 2014 0:20:29 GMT -6
Are you guys using the same DAW for playback reverb and printing the final mix?
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Post by keymod on Dec 30, 2014 6:36:43 GMT -6
Dynamics and EQ on channel inserts. Delay/reverb/effects on sends/auxs. That's how i do it. ITB stuff is usually only routing for headphone mixes and summing down into groups. This. Mix gets printed to half-inch two track, then to Tascam HD1000. |
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Post by svart on Dec 30, 2014 8:00:37 GMT -6
Are you guys using the same DAW for playback reverb and printing the final mix? My reverbs are all on the mixer sends/auxs, so even main reverb is just a collection of sends from each channel to a single stereo aux return. I have 8 sends, so I generally use them as 4 stereo pairs. 1. Main reverb: TC M-one, usually some kind of hall setting. 2. Short reverb: TC M-one, usually a short plate. 3. Short delay: Lexicon LXP-15, some kind of ambiance + short delay. 4: Currently unused. I usually just mix to taste by adjusting each send and then trimming the main aux return for total level. |
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 30, 2014 11:23:57 GMT -6
Are you guys using the same DAW for playback reverb and printing the final mix? Yupp why not the RMEs I use are great midrange converters far from bad. Everything else (DSD) is big bucks to me. |
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Post by wiz on Dec 30, 2014 16:35:10 GMT -6
Are you guys using the same DAW for playback reverb and printing the final mix? Yupp why not the RMEs I use are great midrange converters far from bad. Everything else (DSD) is big bucks to me. Not casting aspersions on your converters.. 8) it it more about how people are incorporating the analog mixer and their DAW. perhaps a clearer explanation from my point. how are you incorporating using of effects , reverb in the DAW, and your mixer, as well as the printing of the final mix with regards to essentially handling a couple of things. 1. Latency. 2. Routing. 3. Monitoring eg all your individual tracks come out of your audio interface to channels on the mixer. you have the post fader sends of your mixer connected to your DAW. You have a stereo set of outputs from your audio interface going to a stereo channel on your mixer (effects return) The main outputs of your mixer return to another set of inputs on your sound card. (2 mix print) how in that kind of set up are you maintaining timing across the AD-DA conversions.....? how is the latency being compensated for the effects send and return? at what point in the chain are you monitoring your 2 mix print? i can see how these things are taken care of in a summing situation...as sample accuracy is maintained. having trouble eyeing it with a conventional mix scenario... (mainly the issue of managing effects sends and returns and timing) cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Dec 30, 2014 16:41:37 GMT -6
Are you guys using the same DAW for playback reverb and printing the final mix? My reverbs are all on the mixer sends/auxs, so even main reverb is just a collection of sends from each channel to a single stereo aux return. I have 8 sends, so I generally use them as 4 stereo pairs. 1. Main reverb: TC M-one, usually some kind of hall setting. 2. Short reverb: TC M-one, usually a short plate. 3. Short delay: Lexicon LXP-15, some kind of ambiance + short delay. 4: Currently unused. I usually just mix to taste by adjusting each send and then trimming the main aux return for total level. Thanks Svart... how do you handle true stereo verbs? Cheers Wiz |
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Post by RicFoxx on Dec 30, 2014 17:19:56 GMT -6
What do want to monitor? Output of mixer or post a/d of print mix
Tracking thru a board is where it shines...I use a stereo return for a 2 mix from DAW and track through board.
Mixing...everything is going out to board so I'm not concerned about latency.
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2014 17:45:07 GMT -6
Here it's pretty simple PT HD2 acell 8.?
2 192HD digital to 4 Panasonic WZDA96 via AES to the console any plugins will be used on the ch , but the HD rig functions primarily as a tape deck.
Reverbs and or delays are mostly OTB on aux sends or inserts, returns are either large or small fader inputs on the Status18r 28 mono 4 stereo inline desk with dynamics recall and VCA automation !
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 30, 2014 19:40:14 GMT -6
Wiz I did this for you. This is the way I do it. No latency problems I can play live with external HW-FX. I like it this way.  |
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Post by unit7 on Dec 31, 2014 2:57:17 GMT -6
You guys that are using hybrid systems... how are you handling effects at mix down time? Are you using an external effects unit strapped across the mixer aux's? Are you returning the aux's from the mixer to the DAW via your sound card and then back to the mixer to get to the mixers 2 bus? (Latency?) Are you just using the mixer for summing essentially? cheers Wiz Don't know how 'hybrid' my system is, and I don't use my mixer as a summer only, but anyway.. - I use both HW and SW effects - In both cases I'm sending from one of my boards 8 mono sends, via patch bay, so nothing is 'strapped' or hard wired, although my HW reverbs could have been  . All SW effects are routed back to the board to the same stereo fx return (also via patch bay). - My board can be 4 stereo sends instead of 8 mono. Only use that for small arrangement stuff, like duos or trios. - As the SW effects I use are mostly reverb/ambience/delay I don't worry too much about the latency - When needing more fx sends than my board has, or if the sends need some tricky automation I route in PT internally. - When printing mixes I route the board's 2bus output back to DAW into an AUX ch in PT where I put any SW 2bus processing and then on (via a stereo bus in PT) to a stereo channel where I print the mix. I monitor the output of this stereo channel when I mix. One thing I like about this is that when I'm doing adjustments to older version mixes I can use the input button on that PT channel to toggle between old/new mix (I make new playlists for all new versions, instrumentals etc etc) |
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Post by wiz on Dec 31, 2014 4:34:37 GMT -6
Thanks everyone for the great replies.
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 31, 2014 9:58:25 GMT -6
Thanks everyone for the great replies. Cheers Wiz Forgot to mention that between the return to the interface and the board is my presonus central station that goes to the monitors... = no latency.  But do not buy the central station biggest china crap I have ever seen has to go away soon... Line out main goes back to the interface inputs for tracking the 2 bus. |
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Post by svart on Dec 31, 2014 12:20:20 GMT -6
My reverbs are all on the mixer sends/auxs, so even main reverb is just a collection of sends from each channel to a single stereo aux return. I have 8 sends, so I generally use them as 4 stereo pairs. 1. Main reverb: TC M-one, usually some kind of hall setting. 2. Short reverb: TC M-one, usually a short plate. 3. Short delay: Lexicon LXP-15, some kind of ambiance + short delay. 4: Currently unused. I usually just mix to taste by adjusting each send and then trimming the main aux return for total level. Thanks Svart... how do you handle true stereo verbs? Cheers Wiz The sends are usually two knobs, so I just adjust each one until I have a level balance. For example, if I want a stereo image and the average level of the send to be around halfway, i just turn the #1 send to 5, and then the #2 send to 5. If I need more left I just turn send #1 up more and so on. Since a pan pot is usually just two ganged pots in anti-parallel, this is exactly like that, but using two separate pots that can be adjusted independently. |
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Post by svart on Dec 31, 2014 12:31:06 GMT -6
Are you guys using the same DAW for playback reverb and printing the final mix? I forgot to answer this. I come out of Reaper, through the SSL Alphalink DA through the mixer, then back into the computer through a second 2 channel sound card (now the prototype ADC I'm making) and into another program (soundforge) for recording and mastering. |
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Post by jimwilliams on Jan 1, 2015 11:38:31 GMT -6
Analog console, hardware outboard, HD24XR for the recorder/playback. It's the same setup I've had since the 1970's, only the tape machine was replaced with the HDR.
It's a system better suited for acomplished artists that have honed their craft. Not so good if you need any hand-holding.
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Post by RicFoxx on Jan 1, 2015 14:55:15 GMT -6
Analog console, hardware outboard, HD24XR for the recorder/playback. It's the same setup I've had since the 1970's, only the tape machine was replaced with the HDR. It's a system better suited for acomplished artists that have honed their craft. Not so good if you need any hand-holding. So no Eventide Harmonizers and lush reverbs and buried vocals?? |
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. All SW effects are routed back to the board to the same stereo fx return (also via patch bay).