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Post by kidvybes on Jan 21, 2015 8:50:51 GMT -6
chunger...based on the OP's first mention of the switch's "plastic shaft" I initially (wrongly) assumed that Dany employed the same Lorlin switch you employ in your C12 build...upon closer inspection of the OP's pick, I realized it is the C&K Components 3-Position Rotary Switch (Mouser part #611-A10315RSZQ):http://ca.mouser.com/ProductDetail/CK-Components/A10315RSZQ/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduiQ5x766CWBr5U3ukgZ2IFWDRVp3VKO%252b2VEiYkrC5W8Og%3d%3d ...I apologize for any confusion...I corrected my initial assumption in my previous post (with internal pics of the actual PSU with the faulty switch along with a picture of the OEM Chinese PSU 9-Position switch) as to clarify the differences in the the switch construction and wiring implementation between the two specific switches... Attachments:
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Post by svart on Jan 21, 2015 9:07:33 GMT -6
chunger...based on the OP's first mention of the switch's "plastic shaft" I initially (wrongly) assumed that Dany employed the same Lorlin switch you employ in your C12 build...upon closer inspection of the OP's pick, I realized it is the C&K Components 3-Position Rotary Switch (Mouser part #611-A10315RSZQ):http://ca.mouser.com/ProductDetail/CK-Components/A10315RSZQ/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduiQ5x766CWBr5U3ukgZ2IFWDRVp3VKO%252b2VEiYkrC5W8Og%3d%3d ...I apologize for any confusion...I corrected my initial assumption in my previous post (with internal pics of the actual PSU with the faulty switch along with a picture of the OEM Chinese PSU 9-Position switch) as to clarify the differences in the the switch construction and wiring implementation between the two specific switches... Those C&K switches are just as shit as the lorlins are.. |
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Post by kidvybes on Jan 21, 2015 9:46:58 GMT -6
...and I believe Chunger already addressed the "budget" aspect of these builds, and failure rates of such components are relatively scarce...for the more experienced such as yourself, you have the option to choose substitute components that you feel are more robust...certainly no need to take a derogatory attitude...these GroupDIY classic microphone-kits have made the acquisition of some pretty high-quality microphones a much more affordable option to those of us less-electronically inclined...
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Post by svart on Jan 21, 2015 10:07:32 GMT -6
...and I believe Chunger already addressed the "budget" aspect of these builds, and failure rates of such components are relatively scarce...for the more experienced such as yourself, you have the option to choose substitute components that you feel are more robust...certainly no need to take a derogatory attitude...these GroupDIY classic microphone-kits have made the acquisition of some pretty high-quality microphones a much more affordable option to those of us less-electronically inclined... I've replaced my lorlin style switches probably 3+ times over the years in various builds. I've since mostly switched over to the open alpha style switches for most things, but my GSSL units still have the lorlins, and they are starting to act up occasionally. The pins tarnish and then the pins get loose. I feel this type of switch: www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Alpha-Taiwan/SR2511F-0403-19R0B-E9-N-W/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvNbjZ2WlReYnqYHrQfuERscPvnxKXCvbM%3dIs just superior in most ways. it's cheaper, easier to get, and best of all it's almost bulletproof mechanically. |
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Post by chunger on Jan 21, 2015 18:33:02 GMT -6
Ill look into the Alpha. I did not question the specs as originally laid out because Matador always had specific justification for each component.
I was recommended a similar CK switch in MK47 PSU so I was familiar with the form factor and it was non-problematic. Having used plastic Magpul repair parts for heavy-use AR15 magazines, i have learned to not dismiss off-hand the use of plastics in high-stress components.
This of course could be a completely different story in regards to build quality, application, and materials.
The pattern switch is not an often tweaked part and i am not particularly prone to break things in general which could explain the lack of failures to date.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 21, 2015 18:46:29 GMT -6
Thx svart for teh part info. I have chunger 's c12 no probs, nice mike !! but I may just switch out that part.
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Post by svart on Jan 21, 2015 19:06:11 GMT -6
Ill look into the Alpha. I did not question the specs as originally laid out because Matador always had specific justification for each component. I was recommended a similar CK switch in MK47 PSU so I was familiar with the form factor and it was non-problematic. Having used plastic Magpul repair parts for heavy-use AR15 magazines, i have learned to not dismiss off-hand the use of plastics in high-stress components. This of course could be a completely different story in regards to build quality, application, and materials. The pattern switch is not an often tweaked part and i am not particularly prone to break things in general which could explain the lack of failures to date. The switch i linked was an example, not the specific part to use, but it would be in the same family. I think with the enclosed plastic switches its more of a problem with the design. They can't have too much contact pressure or the cases wouldn't handle it long. I've found mine to wear out quickly, and only the heavier duty open frame type works well, unless you want to spend 15x more for an elna switch. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 0:05:38 GMT -6
I still have a stock of the "lorlin-type" switches, i used them occasionally for budget builds, test and prototype builds and similar.
When a unit works, i would replace them when they fail.
The Alpha style open switches svart recommended are a very good compromise between the plastic switches and high pricing elna, grayhill, whatever, and they are pretty sturdy.
While i've been working with the lorlin, c&k or similar switches in more than one occasion they broke, similar to the photos, or showed mechanical instabilities earlier than i hoped.
It is a matter of how much use or mechanical stress the switch gets. If it is used constantly like a volume switch of a pre, in an EQ or similar, it is more likely to make problems in a non-acceptable, shorter period of time.
As a pattern switch of a mic, it could be that it fails after years. So you won't get a proper failure figure soon. This also means - yes, you always can use them for this type of duty, but you have to be aware of the fact, that there are much better alternatives out there, and it's a weak point on the long term...
I think this threads purpose is not going into a direction of finger-pointing or talking down existing designs and kits, but constructive critics and recommendation of affordable alternatives in parts choices for everyones advantage...
There is always room for improvement...
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Post by dandeurloo on Jan 29, 2015 9:04:49 GMT -6
Again, Chunger's kits rule.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 29, 2015 9:18:51 GMT -6
true but nice to know about possible upgrades to "soft" parts
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 16:30:37 GMT -6
Sure - the pattern switch has no influence on the sound in this case, the kits are well selected stuff proved to provide very good performance. We were talking only one mechanically weak point that could be improved to fit the general high quality of the kit.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 29, 2015 17:54:09 GMT -6
verstanden SBF !
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Post by hadaja on Feb 6, 2015 1:39:11 GMT -6
**UPDATe** So with one of the mic's, it has been finally repaired for the massive sum of $40 for a new knob and check over. I am still waiting for the repair on the CT12 capsule model clone to come through from the original seller.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 6, 2015 6:47:04 GMT -6
true but nice to know about possible upgrades to "soft" parts Or don't let the studio gorilla adjust the pattern switches on ur mics? 8) |
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Post by ericn on Feb 6, 2015 7:49:09 GMT -6
It's gotten just as bad selling, had to do price adjustments on gear I know worked when it left here and the only way I could have packed it any better would have been to ship in a boxed, bubble wrapped Shock mounted ATA wait one was on a boxed bubble wrapped ATA!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 6, 2015 9:39:25 GMT -6
It's gotten just as bad selling, had to do price adjustments on gear I know worked when it left here and the only way I could have packed it any better would have been to ship in a boxed, bubble wrapped Shock mounted ATA wait one was on a boxed bubble wrapped ATA! Same here. Worked when it left here and supposedly didn't when it arrived. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 6, 2015 10:53:37 GMT -6
I sent wiz a console, fine tooth combed it, BIG TIME! I expanding spray foamed the bagged units into the boxes, wiz said it was by far the best packing job he's ever seen. I sent it from Cali to Ozland, I wanted exactly 0 problems with anything because it's 1. Wiz, 2. $600 worth of shipping! Well, wiz had some issues with some things not working properly, thank goodness he's a totally smart guy and gets his hands dirty, he and I figured out a couple strange problems going through schemos and he fixed them. The thing was perfect when it left here, and I mean PERFECT! |
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Post by wiz on Feb 6, 2015 16:20:07 GMT -6
I sent wiz a console, fine tooth combed it, BIG TIME! I expanding spray foamed the bagged units into the boxes, wiz said it was by far the best packing job he's ever seen. I sent it from Cali to Ozland, I wanted exactly 0 problems with anything because it's 1. Wiz, 2. $600 worth of shipping! Well, wiz had some issues with some things not working properly, thank goodness he's a totally smart guy and gets his hands dirty, he and I figured out a couple strange problems going through schemos and he fixed them. The thing was perfect when it left here, and I mean PERFECT! I really felt bad for Tony... He really went over and beyond trying to get everything perfect, and it took considerable time to get it all done. Stuff just happens.... things break.. stuffs old.. works one day.. doesn't the next. I wouldn't have bought something like this, if I didnt have somewhat of a skills set, and lets face it, a desire 8) to get my hands in there. Its going to be something that ends up being unbelievably great for me. Its something I have really really wanted.. and I owe Tony huge, for all the work and effort he went into, to get this thing into my hands. I will always be grateful. cheers Wiz PS the guy does really careful, fine , and beautiful work.. as you can see by JK's new mic he has coming. How often do you see attention to detail like that... |
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Post by hadaja on Feb 6, 2015 17:45:07 GMT -6
Sold and Packed up a nice BSS 31 band Eq recently everything working fine, when it arrived 800kms away all of a sudden it is not working well. Now I have a repair bill for something I sold very cheaply. "Them the breaks" so to speak. At least this is the exception to the rule and does not happen that often. Its just a shame when it does because it outs everybody out.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 6, 2015 19:17:56 GMT -6
I sent wiz a console, fine tooth combed it, BIG TIME! I expanding spray foamed the bagged units into the boxes, wiz said it was by far the best packing job he's ever seen. I sent it from Cali to Ozland, I wanted exactly 0 problems with anything because it's 1. Wiz, 2. $600 worth of shipping! Well, wiz had some issues with some things not working properly, thank goodness he's a totally smart guy and gets his hands dirty, he and I figured out a couple strange problems going through schemos and he fixed them. The thing was perfect when it left here, and I mean PERFECT! ya but he used drywall screws to set it into his ceiling , cus he does everything upside down, might that have something to do with it ?  |
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Post by ericn on Feb 6, 2015 21:10:50 GMT -6
It was the fact that down there dry wall screws are the opposite threads!
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 7, 2015 5:49:22 GMT -6
ya but wiz fits in down here cus he thinks everything is phase reversed ! and he is a big fan of MS recording, now it all makes sense |
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