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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 26, 2014 8:25:28 GMT -6
Like many pro tools users especially those who already bought 11, I am very concerned about where Avid/Pt are going and the lack of clarity .
So i did some DAW research and decided to try the studio 1 pro 30 day demo
Day 2 , yesterday Dl and install was a breeze very well thought out. Going through the Joe Giller videos today. First impression favourable, S1P, obviously designed post pro tools, so S1P has inherent features which are more flexible than PT. For example, you can have multiple songs open ta the same time and share information between them. The screens are more flexible etc..
so, if you would like i will just comment on using it and my experiences over the next 29 days ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 9:13:06 GMT -6
Sure. Go for it. I have been using it and just bought Protoola which I left years ago and got to SO a couple of years ago. I will keep my gripes about SO to myself and would enjoy seeing your perspective before I switch.
Two great features in SO: drag and drop effects and project mastering in the same application.
Please do share!
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Post by swurveman on Dec 26, 2014 9:46:17 GMT -6
The thing that surprises me the most about Pro Tools software ( I have PT 11) is how they've ignored the hybrid crowd in their software design. Other software allows you to ping your hardware for latency. Pro Tools makes you do this manually. Then, if you change buffer sizes you have to do it again. Other software's allow you to bypass the hardware insert at the insert point in the channel strip. Pro Tools makes you either take the insert off completely or go to the hardware and put it in bypass. If by some reason somebody uses the Delay Compensation mode, Pro Tools hardware inserts won't work at all on Aux channels. And you get no message telling you why. Were it not for the fact that the first question some customers still ask is "Do you have Pro Tools", I'd never use it. Thankfully, I have Cubase software for my own work which is much more productive for my hybrid setup.
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Post by odyssey76 on Dec 26, 2014 10:11:41 GMT -6
The thing that surprises me the most about Pro Tools software ( I have PT 11) is how they've ignored the hybrid crowd in their software design. Other software allows you to ping your hardware for latency. Pro Tools makes you do this manually. Then, if you change buffer sizes you have to do it again. Other software's allow you to bypass the hardware insert at the insert point in the channel strip. Pro Tools makes you either take the insert off completely or go to the hardware and put it in bypass. If by some reason somebody uses the Delay Compensation mode, Pro Tools hardware inserts won't work at all on Aux channels. And you get no message telling you why. Were it not for the fact that the first question some customers still ask is "Do you have Pro Tools", I'd never use it. Thankfully, I have Cubase software for my own work which is much more productive for my hybrid setup. I just heard this recently and wasn't aware of the hardware latency issue in PT. I certainly didn't know that changing buffer sizes made a difference. You guys know of any vids or tutorials out there that explain this and how to work with it? I have Logic X but don't use it because I haven't had the time to learn a new DAW and I like editing in PT. I may have to switch over if this latency work around stuff becomes a PIA. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 26, 2014 10:58:50 GMT -6
I posted a quote here from gannan the ua rep who used to work at avid about HW and protools, didi you miss it ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 26, 2014 11:01:07 GMT -6
Here:
This comes from Gannon the UA rep who posts a lot on ua forum site. he used to work at avid so knows PT cold !
"delay comp PT
Hi all,
There are actually two things to be aware of when using hardware inserts with Pro Tools and third party interfaces such as Apollo.
First - you do need to make sure your inserts are lined up. With Apollo, you need to go to I/O Setups in Pro Tools, select the inserts tab and drag the entire set over one pair so that Insert 1-2 is using I/O 3-4, Insert 3-4 is using I/O 5-6 etc. Apollo's MON out uses output pair 1-2, so you have to make this adjustment to line up your hardware inserts. (PT mode only aligns the Inputs and Outputs list, not Inserts.)
Second - you have to manage Delay Compensation in Pro Tools on a track by track basis - not just turn it on and off globally. It's easiest to describe it with an example, so try this:
1) Create three stereo audio tracks.
2) Set the output of Audio 1 to Bus 1-2
3) Set the Input of Audio 2 to Bus 1-2 and Input enable it
4) Create a Stereo Send on Audio 1, send it to Bus 3-4 and set it to unity gain
5) Set the Input of Audio 3 to Bus 3-4 and Input enable it
6) Insert a hardware pair on Audio 3 (you can use a patch cable between outputs and inputs to pass audio)
Now, look at the Delay Compensation numbers in the Mix Window. You'll see Audio 1 and Audio 2 are all 0 and Audio 3 shows 2351 in the top slot (Delay Indicator).
Drop a piece of audio onto Audio 1 and play it. You'll hear a delay between the two tracks. This is because Audio 2 is not being delayed to match the hardware insert on Audio 3.
Now, Control + Command Click on the bottom number of Audio 2 (Track Compensation Indicator). You'll notice it turns blue and goes to 2351 (the same number as Audio 3).
What you've done is isolated Audio 2 from the delay comp scheme so that Audio 2, which has no hardware inserts on it, has the same amount of delay compensation as Audio 3, which does.
This is a bare bones example, but you can use the same principles as your routing schemes become more complex with busses and other audio tracks.
Just keep in mind where your delays are and which elements need to be delayed and go from there.
I hope that helps!
-GK
Gannon Kashiwa"
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 26, 2014 11:11:50 GMT -6
The thing that surprises me the most about Pro Tools software ( I have PT 11) is how they've ignored the hybrid crowd in their software design. Other software allows you to ping your hardware for latency. Pro Tools makes you do this manually. Then, if you change buffer sizes you have to do it again. Other software's allow you to bypass the hardware insert at the insert point in the channel strip. Pro Tools makes you either take the insert off completely or go to the hardware and put it in bypass. If by some reason somebody uses the Delay Compensation mode, Pro Tools hardware inserts won't work at all on Aux channels. And you get no message telling you why. Were it not for the fact that the first question some customers still ask is "Do you have Pro Tools", I'd never use it. Thankfully, I have Cubase software for my own work which is much more productive for my hybrid setup. Just my opinion mixing hybrid is best with a small format desk or summing amp. It makes live much easier. Ping or not Ping.... it does not makes a big difference. The real work flow comfort zone is using the mixer. Just my two cents experience... |
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Post by odyssey76 on Dec 26, 2014 12:11:07 GMT -6
I posted a quote here from gannan the ua rep who used to work at avid about HW and protools, didi you miss it ? I remember seeing this now - thanks! I'll have to dig into this a bit and listen to the differences. |
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Post by matt on Dec 26, 2014 18:37:07 GMT -6
My signal flow is that I leave PT once, out to the console via aux sends, where outboard is added (mostly in parallel) and then summed back into PT. There is significant latency for the round trip but I don't think there's a delay compensation problem. Please correct me if this assumption is mistaken.
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