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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 11, 2014 22:22:48 GMT -6
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Post by Calvin on Dec 11, 2014 23:35:00 GMT -6
Nah, tuning's not very important these days. You have autotune or melodyne, right? And, besides, that strobe tuner looks like a pain to hook up to your computer.
Or, maybe you're one of those old guys that still fancies himself some sort of "musician." We used to have a lot of those around, but not so much anymore.
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Post by levon on Dec 12, 2014 0:43:01 GMT -6
It sure looks pretty, especially at Christmas time, but how does it sound?  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 12, 2014 6:49:55 GMT -6
Lol
I didn't mean this in a "people are so pitchy it hurts my golden ears" kinda way...moreso, I'm amazed at the accuracy. There is a MAJOR difference in this thing and your $10 iPhone app. I just spent a littl time setting up my cheap strat. Really getting the saddle (intonation) dialed in...and the thing sound freaking amazing. I've been in sessions and occasionally gotten to play some of the guys' guitars and thought, "man, they get all the great ones..." Well, they do, but hell, most of it is in the setup.
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Post by svart on Dec 12, 2014 7:55:32 GMT -6
I got one of these: www.turbo-tuner.com/pages/manual-st2.htmSupposedly one of the most accurate tuners made today. I make everyone in the studio check their tuning with it even though they all balk and whine about how they just bought a "good" tuner and they "spent a lot of money" on a 15$ tuner at GC.. They all seem very surprised to see their tuners are off by a little and are pretty happy at the better sounds, although they have a very hard time learning the interface. |
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Post by henge on Dec 12, 2014 8:22:33 GMT -6
Peterson has a software version. Wonder how that stacks up...
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 12, 2014 9:09:54 GMT -6
Peterson has a software version. Wonder how that stacks up... I have the Peterson App...no comparison. I just got my J45 setup (going to pick it up)...but it had some problems with the B string intonation - as most guitars do. The weird thing is, I could tune with one of those clip on tuners or the apps and it just never locked in...B string sharp on the 3rd fret when in tune on the first. BUT - tune it with the Peterson contraption and the issues were almost non-existent. Still had some intonation issues, but they were much less prevalent. Somehow, there's a difference. |
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Post by popmann on Dec 12, 2014 9:43:57 GMT -6
Yeah--I never used the app, because I had two of their pedals previously in an estate sale I handled....I have a Peterson Strobe....one was the StroboStomp...but, then one was their $300 "digital strobe"-though I foget the model. Point being--neither came close to the analog strobe, and so I just resigned myself that it MUST be a digital vs analog thing. Given what it does, you would HAVE to sample at 96khz+ in order to pick up all the overtones that contribute to tuning a string....
I would LOVE a programmable one....since I've taken to using the offsets I pulled from a James Taylor video...minus the 3 cents he globally changes for the capo...works great on Fender...not so much Gibson scale length--so, I'd love a button that intonates that way....another that moves back to 440.
What you'll find, JK, is that the set up is where you START to be able to tell the difference. Meaning--cheap ones are simply NEVER set up well--it's just a function of labor costs. Once you have it properly set up, THEN and only then do you even KNOW how good the guitar is...
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 12, 2014 9:45:01 GMT -6
I'd love one of those! I currently use the Peterson software tuner, mehh it's ok, I always finish up by ear and tuning the ac gtar to itself, seems absolutely necessary, I also fret d chords very gingerly as I'm an overall heavy handed guy. Great players can make an out of tune(within reason) gtar sound great!(I am faaaaaar from that guy 8)
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Post by RicFoxx on Dec 12, 2014 13:52:15 GMT -6
I'm glad I watched that video...it confirmed what my ear has always told me! The B string is not my friend!!!!
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Post by matt on Dec 12, 2014 13:59:20 GMT -6
I've always had problems with G-strings . . .
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 12, 2014 14:00:02 GMT -6
I've always had problems with G-strings . . . Not me. |
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Post by matt on Dec 12, 2014 14:02:46 GMT -6
I've always had problems with G-strings . . . Not me. They can be expensive. |
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Post by Calvin on Dec 12, 2014 14:25:27 GMT -6
Lol I didn't mean this in a "people are so pitchy it hurts my golden ears" kinda way...moreso, I'm amazed at the accuracy. There is a MAJOR difference in this thing and your $10 iPhone app. I just spent a littl time setting up my cheap strat. Really getting the saddle (intonation) dialed in...and the thing sound freaking amazing. I've been in sessions and occasionally gotten to play some of the guys' guitars and thought, "man, they get all the great ones..." Well, they do, but hell, most of it is in the setup. I case it's not clear, my post was meant in jest. I'm right with you on the importance of a great set-up and accurate tuning. I've never pulled the trigger on a real strobe tuner, but I've owned a couple different Peterson digital tuners. Even though the strobe tuner iPad app isn't as accurate at the real thing, I still like the intuitive strobe display - makes tuning pretty easy, and it seems as accurate as any other digital tuner. |
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Post by winetree on Dec 12, 2014 14:55:40 GMT -6
I've had a Hardware Conn strobe tuner since 1981. It's the only thing I'll use to set-up intonation.
Once it's set-up, I use harmonics and my ear to tune the guitar to itself.
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Post by Randge on Dec 12, 2014 15:00:35 GMT -6
I have Stroboflips all calibrated together in every one of my recording booths. The phone app works great for me in outside sessions. I use the clipon plug to the headstock and that eliminates most background interference.
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Post by mobeach on Dec 12, 2014 15:50:04 GMT -6
I wonder how it works on heavy gauge B strings?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 12, 2014 16:28:39 GMT -6
Lol I didn't mean this in a "people are so pitchy it hurts my golden ears" kinda way...moreso, I'm amazed at the accuracy. There is a MAJOR difference in this thing and your $10 iPhone app. I just spent a littl time setting up my cheap strat. Really getting the saddle (intonation) dialed in...and the thing sound freaking amazing. I've been in sessions and occasionally gotten to play some of the guys' guitars and thought, "man, they get all the great ones..." Well, they do, but hell, most of it is in the setup. I case it's not clear, my post was meant in jest. I'm right with you on the importance of a great set-up and accurate tuning. I've never pulled the trigger on a real strobe tuner, but I've owned a couple different Peterson digital tuners. Even though the strobe tuner iPad app isn't as accurate at the real thing, I still like the intuitive strobe display - makes tuning pretty easy, and it seems as accurate as any other digital tuner. Oh yeah - totally...I was just expounding on the reason for the post. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 12, 2014 16:30:31 GMT -6
I have Stroboflips all calibrated together in every one of my recording booths. The phone app works great for me in outside sessions. I use the clipon plug to the headstock and that eliminates most background interference. R Yeah, but you have that "slidey" thing...Does your dobro even have to be in tune? You're always just a millimeter away, right? |
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Post by yotonic on Dec 12, 2014 16:37:36 GMT -6
Ive got to pick up a Peterson Auto Strobe to tune my Rhodes but the $800 price tag is a bummer.
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Post by wiz on Dec 12, 2014 16:54:15 GMT -6
I need to hear this.
Can you tune your guitar with a cheap tuner... strum and record a couple of open chords and then barre chords up the neck, then retune with the Peterson and record again, please.
I would love to hear the difference.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 12, 2014 17:08:00 GMT -6
My 93 Taylor is a beauty! it's set up great and tunes very easily, but i still use my ears no matter the tuner, i find you need to fine tune the instrument to itself almost 100% of the time, unless you have a perfect guitar(oxymoron)
I too would like to hear what wiz requested.
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Post by donr on Dec 12, 2014 18:56:28 GMT -6
I've always had problems with G-strings . . . I agree with Matt. Plain G (3rd) strings when in tune open, usually are sharp when fretted. On Stratocasters, the 6th E string has that problem too. Fret an F and it's sharp. You compensate for that as you play. Guitars just aren't that in tune, and I'm not sure it's desirable. I've come to think a lot of the boredom evident in modern music is due to equal temperament. Everything is rigidly in tune, and it's boring to the ear. Polished, but dull. Lots of the historical pop music I like because the artists' interpretation of pitch as part of the performance, whether vocally or instrumentally. I like the rub, living on the edge of intonation, as style. I'm talking about cents sharp or flat. I think you need to tune your instrument to sound the best playing the music you are playing at that moment, and use any deviation creatively. I've used Conn and Peterson strobe tuners since the '60's. They're great, but the strobe GUI is cumbersome to me, and some of the software tuners are just as accurate. I have a MacOS software strobe tuner (iChromatic) that's really precise. I've got an early iPhone tuner I still use, even though it's been abandoned by its developer. Tuning a band's stringed instruments with a good tuner is good practice because at least the take will start out with all the open strings in agreement. <script type="text/javascript" src="safari-extension://com.ebay.safari.myebaymanager-QYHMMGCMJR/c4ea24e5/background/helpers/prefilterHelper.js"></script><script type="text/javascript" src="safari-extension://com.ebay.safari.myebaymanager-QYHMMGCMJR/c4ea24e5/background/helpers/prefilterHelper.js"></script> |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 12, 2014 19:23:46 GMT -6
I'll tell you guys another theory I have on this tuning thought, the better the build on the guitar, the better the "tuning" will be. That is to say all of the ringing true to itself is not merely in the setup or the fretboard, it's in the bodies of the instruments as well. It's how well the different notes ring together that causes a pleasing or unpleasing tendency. A lesser guitar thats perfectly tuned with perfect intonation may not sound as "good" all around as a master made guitar played slightly out of tune. I've got a D-41 Custom that's as near a perfect instrument as one could want. The thing rings true like a piano from the body, sustain is endless etc. While it is a true player on the neck, I'm convinced that that body has much more to do with the accuracy of the guitar than the neck.
On the other side of the coin I've got a recently acquired Martin that plays like shit. Frets are wore out, neck is is nasty shape and needs a reset too line up the bowed top (old man who owned it before me let it dry out), BUT, again the body sounds incredible. Even though I can hear dissident ringing caused by the notation flaws, the guitar still sounds very pleasing even though it doesn't note perfectly.
Tuning is very important but I think so many factors play in to a great sound, not just balls tuning.
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 12, 2014 23:03:47 GMT -6
I've always had problems with G-strings . . . I agree with Matt. Plain G (3rd) strings when in tune open, usually are sharp when fretted. On Stratocasters, the 6th E string has that problem too. Fret an F and it's sharp. You compensate for that as you play. Guitars just aren't that in tune, and I'm not sure it's desirable. I've come to think a lot of the boredom evident in modern music is due to equal temperament. Everything is rigidly in tune, and it's boring to the ear. Polished, but dull. Lots of the historical pop music I like because the artists' interpretation of pitch as part of the performance, whether vocally or instrumentally. I like the rub, living on the edge of intonation, as style. I'm talking about cents sharp or flat.I think you need to tune your instrument to sound the best playing the music you are playing at that moment, and use any deviation creatively. I've used Conn and Peterson strobe tuners since the '60's. They're great, but the strobe GUI is cumbersome to me, and some of the software tuners are just as accurate. I have a MacOS software strobe tuner (iChromatic) that's really precise. I've got an early iPhone tuner I still use, even though it's been abandoned by its developer. Tuning a band's stringed instruments with a good tuner is good practice because at least the take will start out with all the open strings in agreement. <script type="text/javascript" src="safari-extension://com.ebay.safari.myebaymanager-QYHMMGCMJR/c4ea24e5/background/helpers/prefilterHelper.js"></script><script type="text/javascript" src="safari-extension://com.ebay.safari.myebaymanager-QYHMMGCMJR/c4ea24e5/background/helpers/prefilterHelper.js"></script> is dead on!, this is the reason i can't stand diecast drum hoops (especially on snare!), or even 2.3mm triple flanged hoops on my drums, my custom built drum kit has 1.6mm hoops on it, i go through them about every 10 pairs of drumsticks or so, it's time to replacem when they become hard to tune. The reason i like 1.6 is because i'm a rimshot junkie, i always set up my snare and toms so if i want to dig into a rimshot, the shaft of the stick falls directly between 2 lugs, and i can bend the hoop (not unlike a bend on a Gtar) for an instant to get the kwank! out of it, boring drummers hate this lol, i stole the idea from a pretty good drummer, what was his name...hmmmm, oh yeah, John Henry Bonham!!  btw, all the drum hoops were 1.6mm back in the day as far as i know. |
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